View Full Version : Melted plugs are good right?
ActiveAero
10-15-2003, 02:44 PM
Well for those of you that don't know the R has been running around with a little AF ratio problem since I pulled the head and had it reworked and stiffer V springs installed. It has a pretty bad lean spike around 6,000rpms, but other than that the AF is decent. Because of this I've been really easy on it, just waiting for a job so I can get better tuning devices (hondata).
Anyway last night I said screw it and decided to run through the gears one time. I fired it 1st-4th and it pulled strong, hit 5th gear and it pulled to 130mph and just stopped :? , for those of you that have been with me you know that I could hit the rev limiter in 5th gear (155mph) so something was major wrong. Not only did it stop at 130mph it started backing down to 125mph and I quickly let off.
I drove the rest of the way home and it actually seemed to be running decently and strangely enough accelerated really well at low rpm. The reason this was strange is because today I checked my spark plugs and they are all pretty much destroyed :shock: . I don't mean fouled out, I'm talking about melted electrode tips and cracked insulators on some of them. How it ran home fine I don't know. Definitley some preignition going on.
Now I started worring out it from being lean but then I thought back to the dyno and on my first runs it was the leanest it has ever been, and after a 10-12 runs the car didn't have any of the symptoms now (plugs were still intact).
I had similar problems before when my distributor crapped out. I've actually had my plugs worse then this, but it was something that got progressively worse, but that was back at 30k mi and I was still getting on it all the time so it was noticeable. Maybe since I've been slugging around the distributor has been bad but not noticeable since I haven't been running it up to high rpm? Any input?
this thread is useless without plug pics (and not your vast butt plug collection)
linuxman51
10-17-2003, 12:10 AM
pretty rough stuff for almost stock honda performance eh? cams and melted plugs...
ActiveAero
10-17-2003, 02:17 PM
pretty rough stuff for almost stock honda performance eh? cams and melted plugs...
80,000mi (yes it has that many miles) of extremely hard 8,600rpm abuse will do that on a modified car. Don't try to bring up reliabilty issues with a modified car that has actually been extremely reliable for as much as I have raced it and being that this car has been my major learning experience. If it can hold up to me tinkering, learning, and screwing stuff up, while still ripping it up day to day thats a compliment in my book. If you aren't going to answer the question don't post. I'm sure your Volve hasn't been 100% reliable either.
Car just hasn't been right since I had the head reworked. Makes great compression numbers, but its fuel curve is just retarded. I'm still thinking this is mainly ignition related though.
WiggiE
10-17-2003, 05:01 PM
As far as reliablitity goes, my car is running on ORIGINAL spark plugs at 82k miles, still gets 35mpg, doesn't drink a drop of oil, and is on it's third owner, I'd say it's pretty reliable.
As far as reliablitity goes, my car is running on ORIGINAL spark plugs at 82k miles, still gets 35mpg, doesn't drink a drop of oil, and is on it's third owner, I'd say it's pretty reliable.
Posting stuff like that is totally asking for something to go wrong. :wink:
WiggiE
10-18-2003, 01:40 AM
No worries mon....
linuxman51
10-21-2003, 02:29 AM
pretty rough stuff for almost stock honda performance eh? cams and melted plugs...
80,000mi (yes it has that many miles) of extremely hard 8,600rpm abuse will do that on a modified car. Don't try to bring up reliabilty issues with a modified car that has actually been extremely reliable for as much as I have raced it and being that this car has been my major learning experience. If it can hold up to me tinkering, learning, and screwing stuff up, while still ripping it up day to day thats a compliment in my book. If you aren't going to answer the question don't post. I'm sure your Volve hasn't been 100% reliable either.
Car just hasn't been right since I had the head reworked. Makes great compression numbers, but its fuel curve is just retarded. I'm still thinking this is mainly ignition related though.
:roll: then fix it and stop bitching about it. unless the head got shaved nothing should be different. add a little bit of fuel.. take it to the dyno, run it through the car wash.
And lets not compare cars because the thought processes for our respective cars are completely different.. last time I checked, swapping cams didnt fly in the face of conventional wisdom and tuning theory on hondas. And when you double the horsepower your car came with from the factory give me a call
CPMaverick
10-21-2003, 09:04 AM
It's tough to double your HP when your car is high-performance perfection right from the factory. ;)
When did all this happen? Last I heard you had 'clogged injectors' or something. :?:
ActiveAero
10-21-2003, 11:59 AM
:roll: then fix it and stop bitching about it. unless the head got shaved nothing should be different. add a little bit of fuel.. take it to the dyno, run it through the car wash.
And lets not compare cars because the thought processes for our respective cars are completely different.. last time I checked, swapping cams didnt fly in the face of conventional wisdom and tuning theory on hondas. And when you double the horsepower your car came with from the factory give me a call
Seriously WTF is your problem? Heck I thought we were cool but apparently you like being an ass now? :?
1. This is the tech forum, did you miss that? It's kinda the place were you ask tech related questions. I don't remember me "bitching" about it. Actually I figured nobody here could help, but i decided to actually put post somewhere besides the general forum.
2. The head was actually resurfaced, which means they should have taken off minimal material, but it does have me wondering.
3. Take it to the dyno? What is the dyno? Thanks Kenny now I know, without you I would have no clue. :roll:
If you would actually read previous posts before assuming you would know that I've been on the dyno with the car, thus is how I know of the AF problems that it didn't have before. The car now has an extreme lean spike when the VTEC timing tables activate that was not present before. I attempted to add fuel with both my FPR and the VAFC (which isn't good for adding fuel by the way, only subtracting it). It got the the point where I was maxing out my fuel pressure and for some reason I don't like over loading my fuel system, call me weird. Even after dumping the car with all that fuel the spike was still present (though not as bad of course).
4. You want me to give you a call when I'm making 330whp all motor on pump gas? Might not be happening anytime soon, guess you win. :roll: Before you get to cocky Kenny remember double the horsepower on your motor doesn't really mean crap to me seeing as your weak ace stock Volvo engine makes around 20hp stock. So what your maybe making 200-230whp on a good sized turbo 4? Do you want a cookie, because thats not impressive to me.
Oh and when yours runs 13.7's with $400 in mods and you beat me in auto-x give me a call. :P
Your the one trying to be an ace. You brought up the reliability issue. I said shove it because it has nothing to do with my question. I could actually care less who's car does what. Answer my question or don't post thats all I'm asking.
ActiveAero
10-21-2003, 01:52 PM
Test the distributor coil and its off spec. Replacing it and will see what that does.
Anyone have any 290cc 97+ Prelude injectors? :P
Frosty_DUB
10-21-2003, 02:46 PM
respective cars are completely different.. last time I checked, swapping cams didnt fly in the face of conventional wisdom and tuning theory on hondas. l
What are you talking about? Honda guys don't drop in cams? EVERYONE swaps cams that want to go fast.
So what is the tuning theory on hondas, almighty tuning god? Im pretty sure his NA car is faster than yours in a strait line. Yours has a huge turbo too.
ActiveAero
10-21-2003, 03:36 PM
respective cars are completely different.. last time I checked, swapping cams didnt fly in the face of conventional wisdom and tuning theory on hondas. l
What are you talking about? Honda guys don't drop in cams? EVERYONE swaps cams that want to go fast.
So what is the tuning theory on hondas, almighty tuning god? Im pretty sure his NA car is faster than yours in a strait line. Yours has a huge turbo too.
Let's not get into a big debate on cars and tuning.
If Kenny for some reason likes to be an ace to me then good I guess. I don't spout off about his Volvo everytime he posts something about it. Heck how about this to cool things off.
VOLVO's ARE THE BEST CARS EVER, PERIOD, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. MY TYPE-R SUCKS COMPLETELY AND DOESN'T COMPARE NOR DOES ANY OTHER HONDA SO I WILL REFRAIN FROM EVER ASKING TECH QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM AGAIN. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN WITH PERFECT MECHANICAL ABILITY LIKE KENNY, WHO'S CAR IS ALWAYS RUNNING PERFECTLY, AND WHO'S VOLVO IS PUSHING THE LIMITS OF TURBO PERFORMANCE WITH HIS BLAZING 1/4MI PASSES AND STAGGERING DAY TO DAY DRIVEABILITY.
The end.
eSpyder99
10-22-2003, 03:04 AM
uh oh, Here we go again... a simple question that turns into a 5 page thread :wink: :mrgreen:
linuxman51
10-22-2003, 09:56 AM
It's tough to double your HP when your car is high-performance perfection right from the factory. ;)
When did all this happen? Last I heard you had 'clogged injectors' or something. :?:
if thats perfection i'm walking for the rest of my life
anyway, damnit brock it was joke, clint, shut the fuck up (and no my turbo isnt big. its rather small. and my car is slow. really slow. so there)
if you can't take a joke or humorous dig at your car, you need to put it away for a while (i mean really, you wont catch much flak working on an integra but a volvo? i've heard it all...) :roll:
ActiveAero
10-22-2003, 11:32 AM
It's all good yo! :P
linuxman51
10-22-2003, 12:13 PM
you ever going to make it back up here for skooooool?
ActiveAero
10-22-2003, 04:00 PM
I'm in school right now down here at almighty Faulkner. Sadly its actually pretty nice. Getting my basics out of the way with only 25 people in my class and teachers that speak english is a relief.
I'm also in the process of getting a full time job with a certain federal agency ,which has been a very fast and um non-time consuming process. :roll: If it works out I'll be staying down here to finish up school, most likely at USA.
A418t81
10-22-2003, 06:26 PM
most likely at USA.
:devil:
I'm gonna need a roomie for the place I"m buying down there...should come come down next year and go to school. Oh yeah, and if you dirty up my house, I'll KICK YOUR ASS!!!!
:wink: :lol:
VOLVO's ARE THE BEST CARS EVER, PERIOD, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. MY TYPE-R SUCKS COMPLETELY AND DOESN'T COMPARE NOR DOES ANY OTHER HONDA SO I WILL REFRAIN FROM EVER ASKING TECH QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM AGAIN. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN WITH PERFECT MECHANICAL ABILITY LIKE KENNY, WHO'S CAR IS ALWAYS RUNNING PERFECTLY, AND WHO'S VOLVO IS PUSHING THE LIMITS OF TURBO PERFORMANCE WITH HIS BLAZING 1/4MI PASSES AND STAGGERING DAY TO DAY DRIVEABILITY.
The end.
You should talk to one of kenny's friends that I had the misfortune of meeting. Drives an all powreful 940 who thinks his shit don't stink. He had it out for me from the get go.
Me: "Hi! My name is Drew! What's your name? Lets be friends!"
Douche Bag: "Fuck you! Your car sucks!! My volvo will tear it's ass up!"
4 hours of that...
It wasn't a plesant experience. I was surrounded by about half a dozen volvo supremecists. :shock: All of em except for that one cocksucker were nice though.
Oh back to your original topic, sounds like a good time for aftermarket plugwires at least. Mabey some Denso plugs too. I've gotten into a habit of changing my plugs every other oil change. Hell, they're only $2 a pair at walmart.
ActiveAero
10-24-2003, 05:21 PM
Honda OEM plug wires are fine, actually recommended by most. Just chandged them as well along with my distributor cap and rotor.
Plugs aren't going to fix the problem and I prefer NGK's, but I'm not going to put in a nice set of plugs until I get the problem solved.
I'm really starting to think my head was shaved too much. :?
Matt Harris
10-24-2003, 09:56 PM
Just get hondata or something and back the timing down a bit. :D
linuxman51
10-27-2003, 12:12 PM
VOLVO's ARE THE BEST CARS EVER, PERIOD, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. MY TYPE-R SUCKS COMPLETELY AND DOESN'T COMPARE NOR DOES ANY OTHER HONDA SO I WILL REFRAIN FROM EVER ASKING TECH QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM AGAIN. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN BORN WITH PERFECT MECHANICAL ABILITY LIKE KENNY, WHO'S CAR IS ALWAYS RUNNING PERFECTLY, AND WHO'S VOLVO IS PUSHING THE LIMITS OF TURBO PERFORMANCE WITH HIS BLAZING 1/4MI PASSES AND STAGGERING DAY TO DAY DRIVEABILITY.
The end.
You should talk to one of kenny's friends that I had the misfortune of meeting. Drives an all powreful 940 who thinks his shit don't stink. He had it out for me from the get go.
Me: "Hi! My name is Drew! What's your name? Lets be friends!"
Douche Bag: "Fuck you! Your car sucks!! My volvo will tear it's ass up!"
4 hours of that...
It wasn't a plesant experience. I was surrounded by about half a dozen volvo supremecists. :shock: All of em except for that one cocksucker were nice though.
Oh back to your original topic, sounds like a good time for aftermarket plugwires at least. Mabey some Denso plugs too. I've gotten into a habit of changing my plugs every other oil change. Hell, they're only $2 a pair at walmart.
yea but drew, you gotta understand.. with a group of mustang drivers, its everyone like that and maybe couple of nice folks :wink:
but yea, eric's a bit of a dick
Brock: you tried a step colder plug? (maybe a step hotter too)
FourDoorTypeR
10-27-2003, 12:30 PM
Gotta agree with Brock on this one. NGKs are the only option other than OEM Honda. Most of the other plug wire companies just make the wires look larger by just adding more insulation, not actual wire. NGKs may look puny (7.5mm), but they definately do the trick.
Frosty_DUB
10-27-2003, 12:32 PM
DAMN! kenny saying someone is a dick! :wink:
How fast is his car anyway?
Those NGKs are awesome, They helped A LOT on my hatch.
FourDoorTypeR
10-27-2003, 12:34 PM
It's a beast...I've seen it on the interstate walking Stage III APR Audis... :lol:
That doesnt take as much as you think....unless it was a stg.3 S4
FourDoorTypeR
10-27-2003, 02:01 PM
That doesnt take as much as you think....unless it was a stg.3 S4
I was just being a smartass :wink:
WiggiE
10-28-2003, 12:01 AM
NGKs are the only option other than OEM Honda.
Just an FYI, OEM Honda's are made by Sumitomo.
ActiveAero
10-28-2003, 12:06 AM
NGKs are the only option other than OEM Honda.
Just an FYI, OEM Honda's are made by Sumitomo.
Good one Wiggie!
In that he means to say OEM honda plugs are NGK.
WiggiE
10-28-2003, 01:57 AM
NGKs are the only option other than OEM Honda.
Just an FYI, OEM Honda's are made by Sumitomo.
Good one Wiggie!
In that he means to say OEM honda plugs are NGK.
I wasn't correcting him, just giving him an FYI.
Good one Type Yellow!
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