What vid card?

[Jess]

RADEON 9800 Pro 128MB $135
RADEON 9800 SE 128MB $132

whats the difference? besides $3?

[adam p]

Never heard of the SE. Is it like a rerelease of the PRO? Well, either way, great card for the money.

[Jess]

I just ordered a PRO

[CPMaverick]

The Pro has lumbar support, SE does not.

[Jess]

squeeze pump or electric?

[CPMaverick]

I guess you'll find out, you are the one who made an uninformed decision not me. FACE THE CONSEQUENCES BIOTCH :lol:

[adam p]

I looked it up. The Pro is alot better.

[WiggiE]

I looked it up. The Pro is alot better.
Mucho.....the SE only has 4 memory pipes and the Pro has 8 pipes. There were a few SE's that had all 8 pipes, but were disabled in the firmware. Flash the firmware and wahla.

BTW, where did you find a 9800 Pro for that cheap?

[Anderson]

I'll take www.pricewatch.com for 4000, Jess.

[Jess]

I'll take www.pricewatch.com for 4000, Jess.

Tell him what he's won!

He's won a lifetime vacation to knowitallville!

[linuxman51]

blah, ati's are hit or miss, several of my more hardcore peecee friends (well the ones that can afford to be more hardcore than me, i.e. all of them) have had all sorts of bizzare issues with their ati radeons. geeforwce for life!11

[WiggiE]

geeforwce for life!11

fo sho.....the drives for ati's suck bad......only certain ones will work for certain games....

I'm waiting on the 6600 when they port it to AGP.

[Obike]

I've been an ATI user for life, and I must say the driver issues I've encountered are rare. I've actually had more problems with my sound drivers crashing games then my video card =/ (Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer for those wondering).

The thing is that nVidia's cards aren't engineered all that well, but I do give them that they have some bitching ass drivers (comes from buying out 3Dfx, those driver engineers are considered the best in the industry... last I heard ATI and nVidia driver engineers were making ~300k/yr to keep them in the company). ATI's cards are engineered beautifully and their DirectX drivers are THE best in the industry (nVidia kinda likes to modify the DirectX spec and then call it DirectX 9 Plus, dumbasses... there is a standard for a reason). This gets them in trouble with Microsoft because now nVidia can't use their specific codepath that they use for opengl cards. DOH! Seems you better just make one generic codepath that works damn bitchin, a lot like ATI engineered it to me Mr nVidia. Anyways, the point is... it takes longer and is more expensive to fix engineering problems while driver problems can be made better and better. The ATI drivers nowadays, I will give you this, are a LOT better than they were in the old days simply because they are on a unified code base. The problem with ATI drivers back then was that each card had it's own specific code for that card. It allowed it to run at it's best performance since you didn't have to worry about a generic driver for all cards and getting your card to work right with it...but I digress. The problem with having a specific driver for each card was that a bug fixed in one driver wasn't fixed for all the other cards. So each time a new card came out you had these bugs that would pop up that were really old bugs on the new codebase. Anyways... this post is becoming too much of a Driver History.

Needless to say ATI is dominating the market as far as engineering goes, and nVidia still dominates when it comes to drivers. However, it's cheaper and takes less time to fix driver issues than engineering ones.

[WiggiE]

Oh no.....not an ATI fanboy. :lol:

[Jess]

Counter-Strike:Source looks better on the Radeon but ran better with the GF3 with higher resolution.

Hopefully the framerate will bump up after I upgrade my processor and memory