Our Government...

[AadosX]

Well, take these for what you will. Try not to get too pissed off, Nick, but maybe it will open some minds to what I've thought about this entire time. 9/11, was it all planned?.. is it all just fake to make Cheney/others lots of money?

BTW, in case you didn't know, Cheney owns a major oil company that has made billions since 9/11.

... just watch the videos. The second one is LONG so you probably won't watch it all, but the first is short and very interesting.

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/190704greatillusion.htm

I'm only voting against Bush to change things, and hopefully move toward the better.. honestly I have no faith in the government and society anymore, and just live my life locally. The big picture is so far beyond us all IMO, it's almost pointless to care. I'm sure any President is into so much shit it's ridiculous, I honestly am afraid to death and would never even think of becoming President. I don't think a normal person ever could become elected... even if America's population elected them.

Just envokes a lot of thought. (Sorry, Nick)

[linuxman51]

jesus christ, that bullshit again.

Whoever came up with that conspiracy theory was smoking some good shit. Care to elaborate, jess?

and further more, if you think that cheny being involved in a multi million dollar oil company, how bout ol john's wife? most of the heinz manufacturing goes on outside of the US, so is that how ol kerry plans on "creating more jobs"?

I've seen no evidence that hes got "a plan" asside from agreeing with everyone on every issue that something needs to be done about __________.
And the debate only reitterated that.

and based on what you just posted, You don't even know what the fuck is going on anywhere, let alone enough to make any kind of educated decision. If you don't like it and have no faith in the system, then move the fuck out!

[AadosX]

First of all, I never said that I liked Kerry any more than Bush.

"If you don't like it and have no faith in the system, then move the fuck out!"

The system is everywhere... where am I supposed to go? I'm not planning on dying haha, I rather enjoy life usually. It's easy to live in America without paying attention to government, which is what I plan on doing. If you think you have power in voting, etc. them I'm sorry, but you don't. There's no reason to pay attention, you can't do anything. Basically everything fed to you could be a lie... but that's just how life is. Maybe I'm just pessimistic though, or maybe I'm just in a weird mood right now. I would like to live elsewhere for a while though, it would be fun.

*puts on flame suit*

[Grider]

http://pics.livejournal.com/honig/pic/0000hk85

[AadosX]

Haha amen dude... I'm pulling an undervote fo sho.

[Adam]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[TheWill]

If you dont like either candidate, Vote for the constitutions candidate, Perouka.

[Zx RaTeD]

http://pics.livejournal.com/honig/pic/0000hk85dude that's awesome that you say that, I've been saying that all along. They're both dumbasses! Who gives a fuck, it's a lose lose situation. Kinda old...at least the first one, don;t have time to watch number 2 right now.

[LT1NRG]

News Flash:

With today's wide span of opinionistic citizens, necessity for beneficiaries to run, and the system in general.

You have to be a tool to be elected.

[linuxman51]

First of all, I never said that I liked Kerry any more than Bush.

"If you don't like it and have no faith in the system, then move the fuck out!"

The system is everywhere... where am I supposed to go? I'm not planning on dying haha, I rather enjoy life usually. It's easy to live in America without paying attention to government, which is what I plan on doing. If you think you have power in voting, etc. them I'm sorry, but you don't. There's no reason to pay attention, you can't do anything. Basically everything fed to you could be a lie... but that's just how life is. Maybe I'm just pessimistic though, or maybe I'm just in a weird mood right now. I would like to live elsewhere for a while though, it would be fun.

*puts on flame suit*
So you're telling me that if *everyone* didnt vote, the government would continue to do what it wants... your dumbass didnt even pay attention in highschool gov/econ apparently. And if you *don't* vote, you've got no say in the matter so just go ahead and shut the fuck up now.

[Adam]

I personally have liked the idea of NOTA (None of the Above).... If NOTA wins then they redo the election with entirely new people. If you lost last time your not allowed to run again. If NOTA wins again... Start over... Eventually, you'll get somebody that the majority likes... Problem solved :D

[Zx RaTeD]

Just saw video 2...interesting, I wonder if it was skewed? I really don't care, not like we can do shit about it anyway.

[Obike]

Wow, whoever made that video is a dumbass.

[AadosX]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
"and didn't dissipate much of their energy striking the ground first (as the Pentagon plane did)"

Yeah, so once again, where are photographs of damage to the ground?

"The claim that the "Defence Secretary" ordered the lawn to be sanded over is false. A base of sand and gravel was laid on the Pentagon lawn because the trucks and other heavy equipment used to haul away the debris (as shown in the photograph below) would have been slipping and sliding on the grass and become mired in the Pentagon lawn otherwise. "

LOL! Ok...:rolleyes:

Whatever though, I guess believe what you want... that's what people do anyways. There are pictures that claim to support both sides.

[AadosX]

News Flash:

With today's wide span of opinionistic citizens, necessity for beneficiaries to run, and the system in general.

You have to be a tool to be elected.
Which is a rason that this country sucks!

[AadosX]

And if you *don't* vote, you've got no say in the matter so just go ahead and shut the fuck up now.
Says who?.. you and other Americans that believe the shit that's fed to them? Once again, I'm sorry that you think your vote matters.

[A418t81]

Says who?.. you and other Americans that believe the shit that's fed to them? Once again, I'm sorry that you think your vote matters.

Dude, you have some very interesting views that I'm glad the majority of people don't share. Yes, a SINGLE person's vote won't matter...however if many feel this way, then it DOES matter. Voting is a right that people have fought and died over. It matters to me and it should matter to you.

Also, if this country sucks so bad, why don't you move to Mexico? I assure you that you'll never have it so well as you do now.

[Zx RaTeD]

Dude, you have some very interesting views that I'm glad the majority of people don't share. Yes, a SINGLE person's vote won't matter...however if many feel this way, then it DOES matter. Voting is a right that people have fought and died over. It matters to me and it should matter to you.

Also, if this country sucks so bad, why don't you move to Mexico? I assure you that you'll never have it so well as you do now.
WTF! Mexico is the WORST country on this God given earth. I hated it. I would only go back there to burn it down, and kill all of their corrupt cops! US rules, but our goverment is gay and all kinds of sideways fucked up!

[adam p]

NEWSFLASH: Every government sucks. Every human sucks. The world is corrupted, and humanity itself is infected to the core. Nothing any human can do is going to change any of it.

[Inspector]

so lets all go commit mass suicide...there's no reason to live, no hope...:confused:

i tend to think democracy is a pretty darn good form of government...call me crazy.

[AadosX]

I agree basically exactly with Adam.. but life can still be good, so that's why you don't just kill yourself.

[xamraci]

hrmm...

well...that is a total wod of garbage that was actually worth your time to write on this board john? WOW! I cant really comment...however...anyone who doesnt like the U.S.A...MOVE on out! My father, both grandfathers, two uncles have all fought for this country to defend it and the values it attempts to spread and atleast allow people to admire in some regaurd. We make mistakes...inevitably we find some sort of resolution for them. If anyone is actually going to BELIEVE that a president killed 5000 innocent americans for money...they might as well just END THEMSELVES and save the rest of the population the enjoyment.

Nick

[AadosX]

I really don't see why you think it's so impossible that the President could kill people for money. Are you so naive in your thoughts of how wonderful this country is that you think the President is actually a good person? People kill for much less money all the time, and they can't get away with it nearly as easily as he can.

[xamraci]

I really don't see why you think it's so impossible that the President could kill people for money. Are you so naive in your thoughts of how wonderful this country is that you think the President is actually a good person? People kill for much less money all the time, and they can't get away with it nearly as easily as he can.
I just think you are ignorant when it comes to theories like this. Been watching to much micheal moore and other garbage.

[AadosX]

I've never seen that movie btw.

[Inspector]

i guarantee you'd agree with everything that man said without a single question.

i don't understand how you can lose all faith in the government (much less humanity). our govt is not perfect by any means, but its pretty damn good, proven through out history.

[AadosX]

There's a difference between me agreeing with him and just keeping an open mind. I don't THINK or KNOW anything happened. There's no reason to think or know that anything happened.. because you CAN'T. I wasn't there, and neither were you... I only believe what I actually see with my own eyes when it comes to subjects like this. I'm simply keeping an open mind. If you don't understand what my views are like... this convo between me and someone might help:

Aados X: if you didn't see it then you can't trust it
Aados X: it's all the same
xxxx: i cant trust whatever i want, including things I haven't "seen"
xxxx: so if you see the redsox win the world series on tv... you dont trust it to be true because you weren't there in person (thats what you are saying correct?)
xxxx: sounds like you have trust issues
Aados X: i do
Aados X: you can call them issues if you want
Aados X: besides, that's live tv, with a huge audience that's actually there... but even then don't you see how it's possible that it could be staged?
xxxx: "i do" whats that in response to?
Aados X: i do have 'trust issues'
xxxx: you have tons of issues
xxxx: very anti american for sure
xxxx: im not sure where you get your views from
xxxx: but they are interesting none the less
xxxx: You are going to live a very stressful life
Aados X: i guess i'm just not a conformist, and i'm very suspecting of everythign
xxxx: not trusting anything
Aados X: lol
Aados X: see that's the thing
Aados X: i actually don't get stressed out at all over it
Aados X: seriously
Aados X: it just doesn't matter
Aados X: just because i don't beelive something doesn't matter i care
xxxx: well you care enough to speak out about some things but you never will defend or back them up.... so why waste your time speaking out in the first place?
xxxx: I dont consider myself a conformist either
Aados X: because in the first place i don't know how others feel
Aados X: its a quick short attempt to open others's eyes
Aados X: but once i learn that you are all closeminded, there's no reason for me to still try, ebcause its pointless
Aados X: if you can't fight for your beliefs, then they aren't your beliefs...
Aados X: you're right, i don't believe anything
Aados X: well, anything having to do with the broad view of this country/gov. that is

[Inspector]

so, if we don't see things the way you see them, we are closed minded?

[Anderson]

John, its bothers me that you feel this way. It honestly does. If it doesn't matter to you and your not going to vote or participate in your god given right to choose who you want to lead this country than why even start this thread. If it doesn't matter to you why does it matter to see if we are close minded or not. If it doesn't matter to you why do you take the effort and time to speak out about it. This is what does not make since to me. You say you have a spurt to try and open our eyes? WHY? if it doesn't matter to you. Why do you give a shit what we think? Once you see we are close minded you stop. Its not that we are close minded. It just means we have made up our minds. Everyone is always open minded, but some have already made a decision and are tired of the same old, stupid fucking rhetoric that the French, Michael Moore, John x 2, almost every major news channel and most of Hollywood have to say it about it. Fuck human rights, if you fuck with the US we will fuck you up. If you are stupid enough to try and start or do something then you shouldn't be alive and the human race as a whole is better off without in this planet.

I don't believe any of this liberal pussy bullshit that you posted, personally. But if you do then why don't you vote? Why don't you try and change it? Do something about it, but thats right you don't care about it. You don't think you can make a difference, but yet you put up an arguement stating some of the most ridiculous shit. Is it all just to get a rise out of us, because shit like this pisses me off. It really does. You honestly think that our president is the most lethal killer in American history? You obviously have no faith in our system, in people, and yes you are very pesimistic. For this I feel sorry for you. Life will suck for you if you keep this up. Good job...


(God damn that was a long ramble)

[linuxman51]

so, if we don't see things the way you see them, we are closed minded?
thats what it sounds like. Don't forget, this is the s14 suspension MASTER talking here, clearly his infinite wisdom transcends all topics.

Yeah, the government staged the fuck out of 9/11 allright, thats why all the major news organizations had the same basic footage from different angles at the same time, and clearly they believe that the pentagon was a hoax because they saw first hand that it wasnt a big airplane that hit, it was an f16 shooting a missile at an altitude of 5 feet.


Oh WAIT! THATS RIGHT! THATS COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Because 1) you're not going to find a pilot willing to slam into the side of the pentagon, willing to shoot a missle first, and more importantly you're going to have a hell of a time finding one skilled enough to fly that low without hitting something else first. We'll ignore that theres a safty drop on air launched weapons before they engauge, and whatever would have been launched at that altitude would have dropped flat on the ground.

But apparently you didnt bother to reasearch that before you spouted off your liberal partyline bullshit. You claim to be non conformist but buddy, you're clinging blindly to democratic extremist propaganda like there's no tomorrow.

If you think that I'm close minded because I can look at flagrent bullshit like that and realize that its horseshit even before another independant source goes in and verifies that it is, then so be it, but I have a record of being relatively "non conformist" when it comes to my beliefs and practices. I claim party independance and make up my mind based on what I see and have seen, and so far I've seen that Kerry is so far full of shit his eyes are turning brown.

[Weed]

Agreed with the above. John appears to be an anarchist but still won't back anything up. You make one crazy statement after another and then turn around and say you don't care.

What I don't understand is that you say your vote doesn't count. It's a fact that low voter turnout favors the encumbant president so I figured you would be doing anything in your power to get everyone you know to vote, much like MTV (don't get me started) is doing with this "Vote or Die" bullshit.

[Anderson]

Kenny, did I ever tell you that I love you.

[adam p]

so lets all go commit mass suicide...there's no reason to live, no hope...:confused:


i didn't say that. I said that there is no hope in the form of humanity. I didn't say there wasn't hope. Personally, its obvious to me that the human is feeble and powerless in the face of evil. Or at least it has been an obvious fact in my life.

[AadosX]

so, if we don't see things the way you see them, we are closed minded?
Umm no. Who are 'we' and when did I say that?

[AadosX]

1) god

2) Why do you give a shit what we think?

3) Its not that we are close minded.

4) Life will suck for you if you keep this up. Good job...

1) There's your first mistake... don't assume things like I believe in God.

2) I made this page because I like to argue. If you know me you should know this. More than that though, I just thought the video was interesting and knew that others would as well.

3) Once again, I never said any of you were closed minded... and who are 'we'.

4) I don't think you read the above conversation. Why will that make my life suck? My life doesn't suck lol...

[AadosX]

thats what it sounds like. Don't forget, this is the s14 suspension MASTER talking here, clearly his infinite wisdom transcends all topics.

Yeah, the government staged the fuck out of 9/11 allright, thats why all the major news organizations had the same basic footage from different angles at the same time, and clearly they believe that the pentagon was a hoax because they saw first hand that it wasnt a big airplane that hit, it was an f16 shooting a missile at an altitude of 5 feet.


Oh WAIT! THATS RIGHT! THATS COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Because 1) you're not going to find a pilot willing to slam into the side of the pentagon, willing to shoot a missle first, and more importantly you're going to have a hell of a time finding one skilled enough to fly that low without hitting something else first. We'll ignore that theres a safty drop on air launched weapons before they engauge, and whatever would have been launched at that altitude would have dropped flat on the ground.

But apparently you didnt bother to reasearch that before you spouted off your liberal partyline bullshit. You claim to be non conformist but buddy, you're clinging blindly to democratic extremist propaganda like there's no tomorrow.

If you think that I'm close minded because I can look at flagrent bullshit like that and realize that its horseshit even before another independant source goes in and verifies that it is, then so be it, but I have a record of being relatively "non conformist" when it comes to my beliefs and practices. I claim party independance and make up my mind based on what I see and have seen, and so far I've seen that Kerry is so far full of shit his eyes are turning brown.
LOL, you're just an idiot. I don't think any of you really read, once again, I'M NOT CLINGING TO EITHER PARTY/IDEA/ANYTHING. I just thought the video was interesting and THINK THAT IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.

[linuxman51]

LOL, you're just an idiot. I don't think any of you really read, once again, I'M NOT CLINGING TO EITHER PARTY/IDEA/ANYTHING. I just thought the video was interesting and THINK THAT IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
no actually WE've (theres that we again) been laughing at you. your ignorance continues to shine brightly through your replies. I love it, I'm an idiot because i offered explanations to counter what you were insinuating, when you yourself failed to get the whole story before posting it up.


you would have made the *PERFECT* commie.

[AadosX]

you're right.

[linuxman51]

you're right.
I know i am. Cuba's just a little south of florida, when do you leave?

[AadosX]

Does it really matter?

[Lathan]

Which is a rason that this country sucks!
I am sorry John, but I can't let you say that. Do something to help your outlook on life and read: Progress Paradox (http://www.greggeasterbrook.com).

Heaven forbid! Read a book for pleasure!

[Anderson]

Aados X: because in the first place i don't know how others feel
Aados X: its a quick short attempt to open others's eyes
Aados X: but once i learn that you are all closeminded, there's no reason for me to still try, ebcause its pointless
Aados X: if you can't fight for your beliefs, then they aren't your beliefs...
Aados X: you're right, i don't believe anything
Aados X: well, anything having to do with the broad view of this country/gov. that is
Yes, this was convo with someone else, but this was a "quick short attempt to open others's eyes" and then you realized "there's no reason for me to still try, ebecause its pointless."

I know you don't believe in God, it was just a statement to show you that its your right to vote, next time I will use buddah, Ra, Darwin or whoever else you want me to.

That video is about as interesting the fecal matter that comes out of a bull.

"WE" are the ones arguing with you.

And your life DOESN'T suck as in today, but it will as in future tense. It will suck if you keep this point of view up.

[TheWill]

I think this is insane

[linuxman51]

Does it really matter?
Hell yes it matters, the sooner you leave the sooner I don't have to see your ugly ignorant ass

[Inspector]

I am sorry John, but I can't let you say that. Do something to help your outlook on life and read: Progress Paradox (http://www.greggeasterbrook.com/).

Heaven forbid! Read a book for pleasure!
good post Lathan, you should post more often.


Rick, i love you man. you've basically posted everything i would have, but i had to write a damn paper last night instead of having fun on the intraweb.

[AadosX]

Hell yes it matters, the sooner you leave the sooner I don't have to see your ugly ignorant assThen kill me. Better yet why don't you say something to my face (i.e. yesterday) next time you see me rather than be a keyboard warrior if you actually feel this strongly about it.

And your life DOESN'T suck as in today, but it will as in future tense. It will suck if you keep this point of view up.Feel free to explain why.

[xamraci]

john...dont call people out on the board...kenny can whip your ass...and that is pretty self explanitory...the key warrior is a way to atleast get our feelings out there...kenny is a nice person to peoples faces...or atleast tolerant. DOnt force him to a level beyond that...I rather like having two friends on each spectrum of shit...I dont need one pumeled by the other because either one wants to play billy bad ass in person. I happen to agree with kenny on this arguement...my father was near/at the pentagon when that happened...he can neither say he was there..or if he was in it...or what not...he kinda has an important job that the confirmation of him being there or not...really isnt a wise thing to disclose..considering his entire family(me included)thought he was in colorado springs or on his way back to SC. The belief that our president or one of his cohorts actually aided in the 9/11 attacks is absolutely ignorant. Even with how much I dislike Bill Clinton...I would have never said he killed people for money or another cause simular to monetary suplimentation. That is beyond far fetched and borders on treeson(SP?) in my opinion. we live in a free country...but as we all know...if a Lib spouts off about a republican its okay...if a republican(conservative) spouts off about a lib or begins to do so...LAW SUIT!...hes infringing upon my RIGHTS! You cant show a movie about the kerrys in theaters...only movies about the bush party(sed republicans). Dont be a conformist john...because right now...you are just a white sheep dancing in the moon light with the rest of the pack. Bahhh....Bahhh...Bahhh. COnformity is getting a new name...its called NONCONFORMITY! Aint it grand!

[Lathan]

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No, John. Nobody can "explain to you why your life DOESN'T suck". Nobody else can make you enjoy life - you have to create your own experiences and enjoy them. Please read the book by Easterbrook. If you want, you can also check out The Brookings Institute (http://www.brook.edu/) (a think tank on today's issues). I know its a ridiculus idea to do something such as reading in your spare time, but since you're spouting off all these Freudian philisophical ideas, it would be in your interest. Maybe you'll find something you like?

I'll use my own life as an example here. In the weeks before I left for college, you continually insulted me for chosing to go to Middlebury. The prestige and education that I would recieve here (or the fact that I really WANTED to go here, and I was your friend...) did not matter to you; you simply insulted me for wanting to go thousands of miles away and experience something NEW in life.

I'd just like you to know that I am having the best time of my life here. I never would have imagined that the people would be so friendly, so cool, and so intelligent. The parties here are ridiculus; I'm leaving in 45 minutes to go sing and get trashed with the rugby team at the Barn. I've hooked up four times in the past week with an incredibly cool and smoking hot girl here. I did this all on my own; nobody explained to me why my life doesn't suck.

John, you have every opportunity in the world right now. You're at the prime of your life. You determine your future through the actions you take today, tomorrow, and the next three years. Please educate yourself. If you can't find a copy of Progress Paradox, I'll send you mine.

[AadosX]

I'm asking him to explain how he KNOWS my life is going to suck in the future. I don't need anyone to help me have fun right now lol, I'm fine. If you're enjoying life as well, that sounds great to me. I'm not about to sit here and tell you that you're doing the wrong things, or believing the wrong things, or anything like that. IMO ALL that matters is that you're enjoying life and promoting survival, NO MATTER WHAT.

And once again, if anyone cares enough to do whatever they want about this off the forum, which IMO is sad, then go for it. It's pathetic that you will be such a fucker on a forum but then say nothing in person. Is this the wall you hide behind? I'm not going to apologize for not being two-faced like that.

And Lathan, you're starting to piss me off with the reading shit. I've read plenty of books. Do you think I just fabricate my beliefs in my head over night?

[Inspector]

Do you think I just fabricate my beliefs in my head over night?
pretty much.




won't let me post! you have to have a message that is at least 10 characters...unbelievable.

[AadosX]

because your posts are Gay!

It's all good though, God was basically thought of over night too most likely. ;)

[linuxman51]

It's pathetic that you will be such a fucker on a forum but then say nothing in person. Is this the wall you hide behind? I'm not going to apologize for not being two-faced like that.

And Lathan, you're starting to piss me off with the reading shit. I've read plenty of books. Do you think I just fabricate my beliefs in my head over night?
:chuckles: I've got *no* problem arguing face to face with you, or anyone else on this board. You can ask plenty of people, i'm a fucker "in real life" too. Hey, for that matter, why didn't *you* bring it up the other day eh?

Honestly, I don't think you have a basis for your beliefs... it looks more like you think its "cool" to play the liberal card, but beyond being what you think is different, you don't have a clue. You're a day (several months in this threads case) late and a dollar short bud, and its sad that you don't realize this.

By the way, green eggs and ham doesn't count as political reading

[Obike]

:owned:

It's amusing how you think that we are close minded, when in my opinion your arguments demonstrate you are the one being close minded.

Don't insult someone suggesting to you to read books, that's a prime example of you being close minded. Just because you have read books back in high school doesn't mean you are exempt from reading them today.

[TheWill]

:35: great job, you have pretty much pissed off everyone

[AadosX]

Thanks!!

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[linuxman51]

Thanks!!

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delightful. is that why you wouldn't come hang with the group around nick's accord this afternoon? I've been looking forward to bea.... er talking with you about your heartfelt issues *all* day...:nutonit:

[AadosX]

Actually I didn't know you were out there until I was talking on the phone when Justin came by... and no I'm not doing to drop everything for you.

I'm sure I'll see you tonight, so if you actually think anything matters enough to get angry about it then I guess go for it. I haven't made any threats and thus have nothing to *carry out*, I'll just be hanging out.

[Anderson]

PLEASE BE SURE TO READ WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID, Scroll down.
Things that make you think a little........

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country
of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the
following.

FDR...led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.

Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated
two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist
who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took
less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian
compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time
than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
Wait, there's more.......................

JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for
a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard
Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I
served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program.
It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash
receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in
the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space
Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.


You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME
that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he is a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in
English thank a Veteran.
:2xFU: :dropit: :owned: :dropit: :2xFU:
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[adam p]

Great post. The general media is really annoying me.

MTV, on the other hand, is filling me with righteous anger. They have all these stupid programs about "THE DRAFT" and even send out fake draft notices that tell kids to go vote. Actual quote last night on MTV "Bush has said that if he is re-elected there will be no draft...but some analysts don't believe him." THAT is their arguement. This is what they have resorted to in order to scare my generation into voting left. It pissed me off SO BAD.

[PrimeredHatch]

Actually i'm only voting because P-diddy said he would personally kill me if I didn't vote.

Edit: Wow, I didn't set my avatar, but it's nice none the less.

[Anderson]

hahaha see now tom is a funny liberal:cackle:

[xamraci]

I had a lengthy post written up...but I will just leave with this...

For my life I have spent maybe...2 years of it with my father...that is a very conservative estimate considering he was always off some place for the military. I dont blame my father for him not being there because he was working really hard to protect our nation and the freedoms we enjoy. My father protected our nation! Many people protect our nation selflessly and expect only a little bit of gratitude in exchange for the service they provide. Men and women are proud to serve our nation and people who are unappreciative are the people who ruin the lives of service men and women. Teachers in Maine telling children that their marine parents are murderers! Those teachers should be removed from their postions as edjucators and be replaced by real human beings. Several people have told me that my father doesnt hold a REAL JOB! I have heard it several times...I just smile and ask them to thank my father for the free nation they seem to only hold dear when their freedoms are attacked or are near being lost.

Here is some FYI on my father...if any hoptie badasses want to question anything

My father Flew in Storm and Shield in 93. He flew radar/satellite missions over Bosnia/hertzagovia. He trained the Thais, the germans, and the south koreans on air-ground and air-air combat. My father is a decorated soldier in the united states air force. He recieved maritorious service medals for storm and shield and has several clusters on his chest and more bars than an alcatraz prison cell.

This is on top of the rest(my father recieve this last year when he finaly returned form Iraq after serving nearly 9months straight on)
http://www.2amracing.com/DALE.bmp

[Weed]

Nick, I'm glad there are people out there like your father and I know I would be damned proud to have him as mine.

[linuxman51]

meh. the real fight is in the trailors and at the partys with rampant cobra R owners, isnt that right John?

[Adam]

Nick, I'm glad there are people out there like your father and I know I would be damned proud to have him as mine. :patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot:

[AadosX]

meh. the real fight is in the trailors and at the partys with rampant cobra R owners, isnt that right John?
Hahahaha yes!
And for the record, regardless of what I think of this country, government, and the people who decide what our military does (along the lines of the Pres.), I still hold people like Nicks father in extremely high regards.
Seriously though, I'm tired of arguing on forums. Honestly I'm glad that you all have your views, I just don't like how I'm bashed so much for mine. Either way, I'm sorry for making this thread. I'll try to remember not to talk about politics on here, because it gets so personal... I see that someone's political views are very personal and are very closely tied with their social core as a human being. I knew this before on a different level, but now I realize it even more.
That being said, I hung out last night with Kenny and it was a lot of fun... and that's how I'd like to keep things between me and everyone. If anyone wants to talk about my views (religious, political, whatever) in person then I'd be glad to though.

[Adam]

I think that comment pretty much closes the discussion eh?

This thread has gove all over the place and never really got back onto what the original poster, posted....

So.. Everyone is welcome to post a new thread on any topic they wish contained in this thread... Be it a direct question to another member, or a general "What do you think of this", etc...

I know there was one (1) complaint a while ago about have "political" discussion in the general discussion and if they want they can suggest to have a General Discussion sub-forum for politics here (http://forums.aspeedracing.com/showthread.php?t=2572) and see what other members thoughts are on that...

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