Fake spoon calipers

[Jess]

http://www.jspek.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=13224

[insert_car]

heheeeeheehhahahahaha hahahahah bwwahahahaaaa mmmwwwaaahahahahaa. o sweet holy mother that is saaaaaaad!

[Zx RaTeD]

ROFL! OMG man! People will try to sell anything! Look at those SAWEET Mugen hubcaps!!!

[xamraci]

that man should be banned from LIFE~! :emo:

[Anderson]

I'd like some for the 86 please... I need 5 though, cuz of my spare tire :thumbsup:

[VR4Rob]

I love the pic! The brakes are like "we're in here somewhereeeee"

I tried to order some for my car (coz everyone knows Spoon kicks ass for VR-4s) but the guy was like "Wait did you say a 2nd gen VR-4... HELL NO! Those calipers are bigger than the ones on the Porsche GT3! There's not enough PVC in Home Depot!"

[AadosX]

(Inserts joke about how much your car weighs and why your calipers better damn well be bigger than the ones on the GT3.)

[ActiveAero]

(Inserts joke about how much your car weighs and why your calipers better damn well be bigger than the ones on the GT3.)

If seen brakes 3 times as large as GT3's on a firetruck and we all know firetruck = master of braking. :rolleyes:

[Jess]

I need 5 though, cuz of my spare tire :thumbsup:

lol

[VR4Rob]

If seen brakes 3 times as large as GT3's on a firetruck and we all know firetruck = master of braking. :rolleyes:
I can take most any criticism on my car but DO NOT criticize the brakes my friend. Thats something you dont want to mess with.

Once agian, it was a JOKE. :)

[Adam]

that man should be banned from LIFE~! :emo:

If he comes here he will
:cool:

[SK VR4]

i ordered 3 pairs.

in clear.

[ActiveAero]

I can take most any criticism on my car but DO NOT criticize the brakes my friend. Thats something you dont want to mess with.

Once agian, it was a JOKE. :)

What the hell are you talking about?

Something I don't want to mess with? Lol please say you are joking. My ITR will DOMINATE your VR-4 in braking as will a few other cars on this board.

[VR4Rob]

What the hell are you talking about?

Something I don't want to mess with? Lol please say you are joking. My ITR will DOMINATE your VR-4 in braking as will a few other cars on this board.
Right, once again, gimme some numbers

[adam p]

:bullshit:

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT BRAKING! My car brakes well? Hey, is it illegal to have a "brake-off?!" Dude Rob let's have a braking contest 60-0! :omg: :thumbsup:

[ActiveAero]

Right, once again, gimme some numbers




0-60 braking numbers out of some magazine tell very little. Stopping a few times from 60mph is important on the street but track worthyness against fade resistance is another story.

Stock ITR brakes are almost legendary on track. RealTime captured their first Touring car championship on STOCK BRAKES.

If you want single stop 0-60mph numbers here ya go: http://www.itrsport.com/reviewArticles/itr_vs_celica/itr_vs_celica_header.htm

lhttp://www.itrsport.com/reviewArticles/eight_great_rides/eight_great_rides_header.html

This is the best one. All of the cars tested on the same day with the same driver. It outbraked every car in the test.

http://www.itrsport.com/reviewArticles/bang_for_your_bucks/bang_for_your_bucks_header.html

I'd hate to see what Michael and Greyson's EVO do in braking tests.

It's all cool but let's just be realistic.

[VR4Rob]

All but one of those links is broken.

According to the SCC article you posted, comparing it to this article by motortrend

http://www.stealth316.com/2-mt5-99.htm

My car out accelerates the ITR in the quarter mile, 0-60, top speed, pulls more lateral G's, and stops only 4 feet longer than the ITR.

I'm down for a "brake off" anytime. The 2nd Gen VR-4 brakes are pretty famous too. ;)

[ActiveAero]

All but one of those links is broken.

According to the SCC article you posted, comparing it to this article by motortrend

http://www.stealth316.com/2-mt5-99.htm

My car out accelerates the ITR in the quarter mile, 0-60, top speed, pulls more lateral G's, and stops only 4 feet longer than the ITR.

I'm down for a "brake off" anytime. The 2nd Gen VR-4 brakes are pretty famous too. ;)

There you go with your acceleration game which once again has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I sure as heck hope your TWIN TURBO V-6 can out accelerate an NA 1.8 liter, but it's truly sad how little behind the ITR is in stock form if you take your AWD 60' ability out of the equation. Heck your lightly modded VR-4 barely out trapped my ITR when it only had a header, intake, and the power steering belt off. I'd be embarrassed.

It's a stupid arguement anyway. Your car costs 20k more than mine so I'm glad it's faster. It should be.

The arguement was about you acting like nobody better mess with you when it comes to your cars brakes. It was one of the more gay things I've read in a while.

You don't seem to comprehend anything I said since I covered everything already. My car has better brakes than yours and that's that. I'll stop quicker in a single stop test (which doesn't really mean all that much) and dominate your stock braking system on the track. So will a few other cars on this board for that matter.

No your brakes aren't legendary for two reasons unless you can prove me wrong:

1. Show me any roadracing championship that a VR-4 has won.

2. Now show me any one of those VR-4 championship cars that still runs on stock brakes. Heck, show me ANY roadracing VR-4 that is still on stock brakes (notice I said road RACING, not a VR-4 at some track day).

Oh and to top it off here is a quote from possibly the largest VR-4 performance brake write up there is:

"For track or other performance use, an investment in a rotor and caliper upgrade should be seriously considered."

Have a good day. ;)

[VR4Rob]

You don't seem to comprehend anything I said since I covered everything already.

Glad I could return the favor

[ActiveAero]

Glad I could return the favor

Translation = "I can't find any proof of successful road racing VR4's so I'll just try get out of this any way I can"

[VR4Rob]

I dont give a shit about road racing VR-4s or Integras for that matter. My brakes are bigger and better than yours, they stop my car that weighs 1200 lbs more than yours in almost the same distance.

Whats the story behind your screenname anyway?

[adam p]

I don't know, but do you like Anime, Brock? Kenshin is good.

[ActiveAero]

I dont give a shit about road racing VR-4s or Integras for that matter. My brakes are bigger and better than yours, they stop my car that weighs 1200 lbs more than yours in almost the same distance.

Whats the story behind your screenname anyway?


If you don't care then why are you still arguing?

Wow and I thought I had an ego about my ITR :P . You can see cold hard evidence in front of your face and still don't want to believe it. Pretty amazing how anyone can be so ignorant. Actually I can't even comprehend how big of an idiot you must be to say that your brakes are better when your car CAN'T STOP AS QUICKLY IN ANY SITUATION.


My screename? Believe it or not VR4's use to be my favorite car. Actually looked at buying a few on several occasions and have driven them numerous times. They really are nice cars in several areas but they just don't have the driving excitement I wanted. They feel heavy and numb, like you aren't contected with the car at all, and have one of the most vague and shitty feeling transmissions I've come across. They pulled good numbers in magazines but in the real world of racing they just didn't seem to perform. A nice comfy GT car is what they are and nothing more. I'll probably get one when I get old. The name sounded cool at the time and I've just stuck with it.

[ActiveAero]

I don't know, but do you like Anime, Brock? Kenshin is good.

I'm not some huge Anime nerd or anthing but I bought the Samurai X movie a while back and thought it was awesome.

[SK VR4]

ill have a brake off w/ you home boy. Then a launch contest, lateral G, top speed, wet handling, and then a few laps around a real road course. I can half brake and beat your car because:

my VR4 will outhandle your car
My vr4 will smoke the hell out of you on the straights
i have a bigger gas tank

Not to mention the fact that youd be hard pressed to buy better brakes. Period. Noone makes them because you dont need to upgrade the calipers or master cylinder. I have drilled rotors and 5.1 fluid, carbotech pads and all custom hardlines and SS flex lines, no ABS and a prop valve. My car isnt stock weight and mu suspension isnt stock at all. Find a road, any road, I-85 or nurbrugring. Ill race you fair adn square :)

Then i will let you drive my car. Yes, i will throw your integra-loving ass the keys. Tell me its not in tune to drive. Sure, mitsubishi put a lot of comfort-minded features on the car, thats because it's a luxury sports car, GT means good-not-suopercar performacne in a comfortable package. It isnt raw-dog like an integra... but thats because honda didnt put in mind "sports car" when they made it, they out "low budget" and thus your car has no comfor built in. It's a rattle box. I used to own a 'slightly' modofied 911 :p, i have a good knowledge of what "handling" is. You cannot justify your knowledge of how a VR4 does because youve never owned one.

IMHO, that it. :)

Sean

[SK VR4]

http://expha.com/CTECH/SHOP/work/brakes2.html
http://expha.com/CTECH/SHOP/work/brakes1.html

i suck at html. :)

[ActiveAero]

ill have a brake off w/ you home boy. Then a launch contest, lateral G, top speed, wet handling, and then a few laps around a real road course. I can half brake and beat your car because:

my VR4 will outhandle your car
My vr4 will smoke the hell out of you on the straights
i have a bigger gas tank

Not to mention the fact that youd be hard pressed to buy better brakes. Period. Noone makes them because you dont need to upgrade the calipers or master cylinder. I have drilled rotors and 5.1 fluid, carbotech pads and all custom hardlines and SS flex lines, no ABS and a prop valve. My car isnt stock weight and mu suspension isnt stock at all. Find a road, any road, I-85 or nurbrugring. Ill race you fair adn square :)

Then i will let you drive my car. Yes, i will throw your integra-loving ass the keys. Tell me its not in tune to drive. Sure, mitsubishi put a lot of comfort-minded features on the car, thats because it's a luxury sports car, GT means good-not-suopercar performacne in a comfortable package. It isnt raw-dog like an integra... but thats because honda didnt put in mind "sports car" when they made it, they out "low budget" and thus your car has no comfor built in. It's a rattle box. I used to own a 'slightly' modofied 911 :p, i have a good knowledge of what "handling" is. You cannot justify your knowledge of how a VR4 does because youve never owned one.

IMHO, that it. :)

Sean


So when are you going to find me some proof of successful racing VR-4's? Still waiting. The ITR has been proven as a championship winning car in racing series throughout the world competing against all drive train layouts. It has also been taughted as the least modified car in the various touring car series and has the most engine regulations placed upon it as well yet it still won championship after championship. From 1997-2001 ITR's dominated and won EVERY SCCA World Touring car championship. It even won it's first championship using the STOCK brake system with upgraded pads and fluid.

However, I guess the SCCA Touring car series sucks to you because every car doesn't put down 2,000whp. Maybe you idiots will get in your head that times on a clock don't mean everything. Your 40k shouldn't be compared to mine, but guess what, it wasn't compared to anything else either because nobody choose to race with it.

Your car has upgrade pads and fluid? Congratulations so does mine and I'm not at stock weight either. You might be able to keep up under braking for the short haul but if you knew anything about the stock ITR brake system you wouldn't be arguing with me. When a Porsche GT2 owner drives an ITR and shits himself about how good the brakes it's a pretty good sign. Or when a former Porsche GTU and Formula Ford race driver comments on how deep the car can brake I take it he would know. Especially since I was still on stock pads at the time. :P

I don't want to drive your car. I get to drive a RUF modified 911 Turbo. I know what a good handling car is. Not to mention I've been behind the wheel of plenty good number of well handling cars (Z06, S2000, etc).


Bottom line: You can throw as much money at your car as you want and churn out the most awe inspiring numbers ever seen on a sheet of paper, but with your attitude that's all you'll ever have...an expensive ride and some nice numbers to brag about. Owning a performance car isn't about putting others down for their choices or bragging about the cash you've dropped into it, but it's been proven this is the way you think by your actions here.

You trying to call everyone out that challenges you EVERY chance you get shows that you are nothing more than a mere child wanting to show that he has the biggest toy in the toy box.

When my ITR is up and running again be assured that you will meet me on an auto-x course rain or shine. In fact I'll even try to plan for a rain soaked event if at all possible to give you the maximum advantage. I'll pay the entry fee for us both. I've got a new camera as well and I'm sure someone will be glad to film it.

Just note that you'll be laying everything on the line and you better be damn sure that you can absolutely DESTROY any time I lay down. Barely beating me would still make you the laughing stock of this board. With your ultimate road machine there should be no problem laying waste to a measly rattle box Integra.

If I win......well I'm sure somebody won't laugh, maybe.



Cliff notes: I don't know what the hell this thread is about any more, but the VR4 guys are challenging me to a duel because I said they don't have the best braking system in the world. I agreed because I'm retarded.

[VR4Rob]

Your 40k shouldn't be compared to mine, but guess what, it wasn't compared to anything else either because nobody choose to race with it.
So why are you still posting?

This thread makes me laugh :D

[AU RSX-S]

This thread makes me laugh :D

Me too.

[SK VR4]

i didnt read you book, but i picked up some cool shit.

GT2 owners impressed huh? Yeeeaaahhhh.


Dude... you own a honda. honda. One more time: Honda. Its a civic with some trick parts, not a sports car. My brakes done fade as fast as you think. You are basing your info on..

nothing.

i dont auto-x. we've already established that. HOWEVER.. you think my brakes will fade in a Kmart parking lot???? Ill road race you. Im not in the same class, so how do we compare results???

Noone races VR4s competitively. Is that my fault? Nope. They are rare, something like too rare to crash into a wall, unlike an ITR which should be happy to meet such a timely demise. I cant give you #s because i dont follow the pedigree very closely. I bought it to be fast and trhill me. Your car wont thrill many people. Im not lookin for a race car or an auto-x champion or a record breaker on the drag strip or w/e. I had a 911 and a big block camaro, both of which would do those things better. I like my VR4 better overall, though!

If you are going to preach about not downgrading other people's cars then follow your own advice: dont say the vr4 sucks or cant keep up. :)

I ask for a race because isnt that the only way to prove the argument? I think so.


Sean

[Jess]

You got served!!!!! HAHA i dont know who i'm referring to, just thought I'd like to say that.

Id like to see a race between the VR4 and ITR, enough bitching on the board. Either put up or shut up, or keep bitching, whichever. :pics:

[Matt Harris]

Best way to settle this, let's rent Little Talladega and get er' done!

[ActiveAero]

Best way to settle this, let's rent Little Talladega and get er' done!


Sounds good to me. If he's to scared to back up his big mouth on an auto-x course I'll play his game and try to keep up on a roadcourse.

I've already called Talledega in the past and if nessecary I could probably cover mosts of the costs myself if some of the other guys are low on cash and want to come as well.

I laugh at low little he really knows. VR-4's rare compared to an ITR....mwahahaha. It just keeps getting better.

Hint to SKVR4: There are only approx 4,500 ITR's in the whole United states for ALL years of production.

[Matt Harris]

I don't really care about the whole competition thing, but I would find the results quite amusing I think. ;) But i'm in just for a fun track day if you can get a date in the spring sometime.

[Obike]

Fuck it, I'll try and hunt down the good ol' Rav4 and pwn all of you bitches up!!!!!!!












:cackle:

I call bullshit on myself :D I'd be down for renting lil' dega and having a track day.

[Anderson]

I am in and could contribuite financially, lets do this!

[SK VR4]

oh dear, i dont know anything about a sooped up civic. Forgive me. Its such a prebred sports car shame on me.

Why do you like auto-x so much? Ive done it and it wasnt thrilling. Im not cheap, and i like having results on a course that will be there tomorrow. Saying i pulled a 45second lap on jimmybob's january14th autoX course in the northeast section of the kmart parking lot is..

not bragable. I'd rather put myself against you in something with a degree of standard.

I will autoX you if it's in a multi-performance race. Small courses are a strong point for pussy-motored little cars like an ITR. Lets run a gamut. You name a category and we'll add it to the list. Here we go:

Auto-X
road race
HP/TQ
top speed
braking 60-0, 100-0, etc
wet braking?
0-60
0-100
lateral Gs
forward Gs
wet handling
1/4 mile
slalom
standing mile
drive through parking lot pimp factor "cool factor" :D (j/k.. i know you won't do this)
comfort/style/sound/etc? (asthetics of the car)

those seem like a fair test of a car's overall "goodness". Do you disagree? Add what you want, take out what you dont want, get some variety in there for fun. We'll make it a day trip, like an "american gladiator" for cars. :)

Sound like a plan?

[Matt Harris]

drive through parking lot pimp factor "cool factor" :D (j/k.. i know you won't do this)
Sound like a plan?

Why wouldn't he do this? If that's part of your criteria, the ITR would win hands down.

[AU RSX-S]

I'm up for a track day. Fuck all this competition garbage. Let's just go have fun. I need some pointers anyways.

[SK VR4]

Why wouldn't he do this? If that's part of your criteria, the ITR would win hands down.

honestly???


fine, it's in there. We can ask 10 people random which car is cooler to them. I dont even wanna ask "which do you think is faster" because lets be honest.. normal people dont know about the insane power of an ITR hidden underneath the docile skin of what most of their grandmothers drive. It wouldnt be fair to me;)

[AadosX]

This thread is retarded now. You guys care way to much about other people and their property. All you should care about is yourself, and your own things. Not everyone wants a car for the same reason, not everyone wants to live for the same reason. Can't you just let others live their life how they want, let them be ignorant if they want? Just live your life and enjoy it, do what you want with it, learn what you want... just use this and other forums for the better of yourself, and to gain your own knowledge, not to bash others and try to tell them how wrong they are (unless they ask for it... in other words they're trying to learn too). It's obvious that arguing never goes anywhere... sure you might prove someone wrong, but how did that actually help you?

I can't beleive we're now talking about a cars 'pimp factor.' I mean, IMO that's sad, but I guess if that's why you want a car, them i'm not going to tell you there's anything wrong with it. Once again I'm not God, a genious, or anything like that, so who am I to tell you that you're wrong about ANYTHING that corrisponds (sp?) with human emotion or understanding in life. It's one thing to argue about physics, but even that is pointless. Just let things go, you're not helping yourself, the world, or anything! I swear, grow up people. Just be happy with yourself and your own life... because that's all you'll ever be able to control.

[SK VR4]

hence i said i bought it to THRILL ME. that and it's fun to work on. :)

thats it. I do, however, enjoy competition and a little harmless rivalry. :)

I only put pimp factor in for laughs (keep the tone light) but hey, im not gonna agree w/ anyone saying my car isnt asthetically pleasing. I will let the car talk for me, but to each their own. Notice once did i ever insult the performance of the ITR. I just stated what i know my car can do, and what i (and most sane peopel) would agree upon like my car can launch harder and has a higher top speed. I will die in the slalom, i accept that/ Cool, but i dont love my car for #s it puts down. Hence im not big into dynoing OR racing it all the time. Id rather just drive it and enjoy it.

It is, afterall, just metal and plastic. Simply a tool to entertain me. It does it well and thats all i care about.

[A418t81]

I think the VR4 is a cool car. I think the ITR is a cool car. I think they both are interesting and BOTH come from humble roots. You may call the ITR a "sooped up civic", but lets not forget where the VR4 came from....the laughing stock of all "sports cars" the humble non-sl SOHC 165 hp, fwd, 3500 lb 3kGT "GT" that was pathetically slow, handled like ass, and generally did nothing well but look sporty (which it could not back up at all, which makes it rice in my book). Civics came with double wishbone suspension, not shock/strut assortment like the 3k. The ITR makes over 100 hp per liter, not 100 hp/l with turbos like the VR4. The ITR is certainly not a rattle trap. I have ridden in Brock's car it is VERY nice.....suede seats, etc. It was very nice, well put together, no rattles, and quiet until he took the exhaust off ;)

Honestly, I am just posting my own opinions here, but when I think of true sports cars (since you keep bringing that up repeatedly), that I personally have read and seen numberous and unbelievable accolades, I think of the ITR and not the 3kGT VR4 (which as an unbiased reader on both cars, I cannot remember a single blurb). Honestly, it wasn't even that great of a GT, coming in last in C&D's japanese GT comparo they did in the mid 90's w/ the 300zx, Supra, and 3kGT. Supra won, of course ;)

This is just a pissing contest. Everybody got their cars for their own reasons. To come on here and say that an ITR isn't a sports car is rediculous. To say that the VR4 doesnt' do anything well at all is also rediculous. To compare the two is fairly rediculous as they are TOTALLY different cars with totally different purposes in their STOCK forms.

[VR4Rob]

You guys are so right...

[AadosX]

Notice once did i ever insult the performance of the ITR.

While you didn't technically point out performance flaws, you say asshole statements like "it's just a honda" (even though Honda's are great cars in racing and on the road), "it's fit for a demise against a guard rail", "auto-x is just dicking around in a k-mart parking lot", etc.

Comments like that only show your lack of maturity.

[VR4Rob]

A418t81 - not to be an asshole but I like to correct misinformation when I see it. The VR-4 was built to be a twin turbo GT car (HSX concept, either 89 or 90), the N/A models were sold to support the sales of the higher up car (which in the 3000GTs case it did longer than any of the other Japanese TT cars). The same is true for the Z32 and Supra (RX-7 too but there were no N/A models, also notice they had the shortest stint in the US). The SOHC motor was not introduced in the 3000GTs until the 97 model year, a last ditch effort to keep supporting the platform. The Integra is really quite opposite (which I suppose proves your point further that these cars couldnt be more different), an everyday economy car evolved into something sportier. This philosophy has been adopted by pretty much every car company today (EVO, STI, SRT-4, etc). As you can see, car building philosophies changed quite a bit over a decade.

[SK VR4]

guess who else sells poop tp support their top teir cars?

Porsche.

Dude, you compared a BASE with an ITR. Compare a SOHC civic 4 door automatic with a base if you wanna race the low-end of each car's domain. I dont think it has 165hp.

Now lets comare them of the same year. My car is a 1992. Slowest 3000Gt then was 222hp. Be fair.

[SK VR4]

lets not forget that HP/L is the #1 braggin right of a car. My car makes about 200HP/liter now.

[AU RSX-S]

lets not forget that HP/L is the #1 braggin right of a car. My car makes about 200HP/liter now.

But it's not NA. That's the whole point. Honda got over 1000 HP out of a 1.3 liter motor. Guess what...it was turbocharged.

Not taking sides, just making a valid point. :D

[Obike]

GUESS WHAT I JUST DISCOVERED!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

God gave me a very very big wee-wee! Puberty in the span of an hour ROX!









































Grow up kiddies ;)

[SK VR4]

But it's not NA. That's the whole point. Honda got over 1000 HP out of a 1.3 liter motor. Guess what...it was turbocharged.

Not taking sides, just making a valid point. :D

my motor was never NA. Thats like saying my car has lower 60' times/ pound then an ITR. It's nice to brag about but practical? Um... i dont know how.

do i lose points for being a TT?

Guess that porsche GT2 is a sorry ass car. Include the carerra GT and F40, too. What a peice. :)

[A418t81]

lets not forget that HP/L is the #1 braggin right of a car. My car makes about 200HP/liter now.

Really, right now this very second? ;) Once I get my cams in, I'll be right there as well....on the stock, *single* turbo :P ;)

Rob, thanks for the FYI. Like I said, I dont' really know much about the 3000's, just that one of my brother's friends had a base that I got to beat on and it was blah (but looked cool).

I think it is fair to say that any car guy who was up and coming during the early 90's pined for a Stealth/3000GT....in dark colors (black/rob's blue) with the big wheels they were TOTAL adolescent dream machines :)

[AU RSX-S]

my motor was never NA. Thats like saying my car has lower 60' times/ pound then an ITR. It's nice to brag about but practical? Um... i dont know how.

do i lose points for being a TT?

Guess that porsche GT2 is a sorry ass car. Include the carerra GT and F40, too. What a peice. :)

The F40 and GT2 are both tc'd but the GT is NA.

My point is it is easier to get more power with FI. I guess I'm looking at things from an engineering perscpective (even though I'm not one nor want to be).

[AadosX]

lets not forget that HP/L is the #1 braggin right of a car.

Maybe to you, but not to everyone else.

[SK VR4]

The F40 and GT2 are both tc'd but the GT is NA.

Uhhh no.

lets do some math:

6G72 = 2.96L
VR4= 320HP/315TQ
SL=222hp/215TQ

VR4=
108HP/L
106.4 TQ/L

SL= 75HP/L
71.62TQ/L

Integra:195HP/130TQ
108.93HP/L
72.6TQ/L

so the VR4 is pretty much tied in HP/L and beats the snot out of it in Torque per liter. Thats fine and all, but OH NO ITS TURBO. The naturally aspirated SL makes 75hp/L but 1 less TQ per liter. All said and done the ITR gets it's power from it's 8000rpm redline. An SL makes peak power at 6000rpm and torqe at 4500 rpm. If you spun the 6G72 up to 8000i think it would make a shitton more HP. Torque gets you moving. At 3000rpm an SL would feel stronger because it actually has torque. 222HP out of a 3L NA isnt bad, though. It doesnt have vtech or any fancy mumbojumbo. It's just a normal, nonraceinspred good daily driver motor. The vr4 setup obviously makes way more power and torque at all RPMs than an integra. I have been in a guy's vr4 tuning it and he used the cruise control to pull on a mustang. In 4th gear, at about 60mph. Drop a gear and get into the sweet spot in the rpm and it's hard to catch. Ive spun my car out to 9200rpm on twin 14Bs at 26PSI, so dont even say "a 3000GT cant handle 8000rpm". :D 110mph in 2nd... yeah. It spun all 4 BAD.

Now an inegra has a lot going for it because its SUPER light and has no frills. I will give it that. It doesnt need a bajillion HP to get going, but wheres the fun in that? I'd rather feel the pull of 320HP than the peaky power of a vtech motor. Lets not get into modified cars either :eek:

[SK VR4]

Maybe to you, but not to everyone else.


it was sarcasm. :)

[WiggiE]

Sean, you sound like a 5-year-old. Seriously. You always have to try to one up everyone and have the last word. Do you have a self-esteem issue?

Here's one for you:

MY DADDY WILL BEAT UP YOUR DADDY!!!

[1.8t]

Best way to settle this, let's rent Little Talladega and get er' done!

I'm down as well. I want to see how good these VR4 drivers are. I am VERYYYY confident in my abilities and my "instructors" for my TGP weekend back up what I thought of my driving ability. By the first day I had moved from the "beginner" group(due to the fact I was driving a VW passat, they figured even if I was good, it wouldn't be fast enough to keep from getting lapped in any other group), to the fastest group where instructors did NOT ride along w/ their students. The students in this group had ample roadcourse experience and were driving much faster well prepared cars(Supras, RX7s, Spec Miatas). We were let out in 30sec intervals, I was never caught even though they were faster than me. Faster car or not, its still slow if the person behind the wheel ain't got skills. :cool:

[adam p]

Yeah I need to get in on some road racing action. For all you know I could be some sort of racing prodigy and you could all be impressed by how my inferior golf suspension keeps up with all your fancy RWD drift machines with quadruple wishbone flexing axle suspension. That's right, you suckas are gonna get owned by a golf with horse and carriage suspension in the rear.

Wait what am I talking about again? Oh yeah, I'm down with track days - I need to learn to drive!

[xamraci]

Im down for renting a track! :foxnews:

count me in

[SK VR4]

Sean, you sound like a 5-year-old. Seriously. You always have to try to one up everyone and have the last word. Do you have a self-esteem issue?

Here's one for you:

MY DADDY WILL BEAT UP YOUR DADDY!!!


i sound like a 5 year old? Howso? Im stating facts and my personal opinion. I never said anyone's car was better or worse, or that my dad could beat up anyone elses. Just because i dont bow down to the integra type R im a baby?

I never tried to get the last word, i know this isnt over. First you guys say im a dick because i say "lets just race" when this type of argument comes up, now everyone wants to rent a track out. Please pick one and stick with it.

Wiggie, youre a cocksucking shitface. Dont call people names because they arent your friends and arent ricers like your sisterfucking self. Instead of saying im this and that, why dont you provide some worthwhile content and not just drama. I posted real stuff, you just blabber and try to start catfights.

[1.8t]

I posted real stuff, you just blabber and try to start catfights.


:quest: :confused:

Anyone else see something wrong w/ this statement. If I do recal, your second post in this thread had its the usual cockiness superior attitude that I have come to expect from almost every post you make. You and your "crew" have pretty much fucking ruined our once cool club. Good thing I was here doing my thing 3 years before you guys arrived so I could see how cool car clubs can be.

[VR4Rob]

Mr. 1.8T, if you'll refer to post 6 of this thread (made by yours truly) your favorite VR-4 hating buddy ActiveAero took my joke as some sort of "superior" remark and decided to start shit (eventually leading to post #13 DOMINATE.) Not once have I ever attacked or provoked an attack to anyone on this board. Check the facts yourself, theyre there.

Cliffs Notes: ActiveAero started this.

[1.8t]

I was talking to SK. If you and AA have beef, you 2 handle it. SK had no other reason to even get in on this thread other than to start yet ANOTHER flame war apparently. My facts YET AGAIN, are right on par w/ my arguments. You will learn this.

[A418t81]

Sean, I think we all know what is capable of lots of car when you modify them. In order to keep the discussion fair, you need to stop talking about modded VR4's vs. stock ITR's. Throw a mild turbo setup on a stock engined ITR and it will last just fine making well over 300 whp which when you only weight 2600 lbs will rock the house. The 6G's, from the LITTLE I have read, seem to need to be built fairly soon after you start playing with them which is some serious money.

Either way, I don't think anybody cares if you can out accelerate mustangs with cruise control. If straight line speed was my only thing (or most other's for that matter) a simple Supra TT w/ BPU mods is all that is needed to dispatch with MANY high HP cars, heavily massaged VR4's included (I don't care that they cost more at first, you get what you pay for).

[AadosX]

Just for some info...

From what I understand, Little Talledega costs $1000 if its on a non-weekend per day, and you can have, I think, as many people there as you want. BUT, you can only have, I think, 3 people on the track at once unless you want to pay a lot extra for a working crew/ambulance standing by.

[Jess]

This thread is starting to get old. Everybody get your last licks in.

[SK VR4]

a guy ran 684 to all 4 wheels on a stock shortblock and cams.

then ran a 10.7 with broken 2nd gear syncro.

no, the 6g72 doesnt need to be built. :)

my first post in this thread was "i bought 3 pairs in clear", which was just stupid humour. I think it was rob and AA that started the catfight. :) I just jumped in with #s and a little fun trash talking.

Honestly, it's harmless. We're all here to fuck with each other anyway. The main reason for a forum is to share info and trash talk :D Im just havin fun, no hard feeling at all. The #s ive been posting were stock vr4 things. Not to sound like a ricer, but an exhaust and intake honestly will give you 50HP. Add a boost controller and youre talking 400crank HP. This car is a wicked dollar for dollar platform! There are guys who's only goal is a lowbuck car and spend like $2000 and get low 12s 1/4 mile all day.

SUpras are fast, but they have traction probs. same HP VR4 vs same HP supra, the vr4 will probably win because it can put ALL it's power down. No doubt, though, the 2jz kicks my ass from here to japan (with overnight parts!)

to the "throw a turbo on n ITR": thats totally changing the induction. If you get to add that, i get to add nitrous on top of my TT. :D You cant brag about the NA power then go and argue how fast a turbo one is. Not fair guys!

[SK VR4]

Ibtl

[adam p]

:confused: :35: :locked:

Two things:

First, think we can find 20 people who will pay 50-100 bucks to rent out the TGP?

Second, when I get my GT28XX I will own all your asses. And look sexier...and be FWD. (yes, Im kidding about owning all your asses).

[AadosX]

It would be best to have 10 people... and trust me, it's harder than you might think to actually get those 10 people COMMITTED. People will say ooh ahh yeah i'll be there and then won't actually do it. It's not the easiest thing to schedule either, but Spring Break would rock!

[1.8t]

I am def. not going to be here during SB, so I would no suggest that date for a track event.....I am sure most everyone else is rolling out to go somewhere as well.

[adam p]

Yeah uh, SB = tail of the dragon anyways. I say we should do it though on some random day when class is out. It's not THAT far from here, is it?

[AU RSX-S]

Yeah uh, SB = tail of the dragon anyways. I say we should do it though on some random day when class is out. It's not THAT far from here, is it?

About an hour and a half.

Ten people MAX should be allowed to go. It's a $1000 on weekdays and $1600 on weekends. Only three cars are allowed on the track at a time and there are only two passing zones (which would be the front and back straight).

http://www.tgprace.com/images/Trkpic1.jpg

[SK VR4]

youd have to time it perfectly because im busy ALL the time and i have no SB.

[A418t81]

:confused: :35: :locked:

Two things:

First, think we can find 20 people who will pay 50-100 bucks to rent out the TGP?

Second, when I get my GT28XX I will own all your asses. And look sexier...and be FWD. (yes, Im kidding about owning all your asses).

GT-2871R....just don't run race gas. All the silly new 1.8T's w/ VVT are weak compared to the old ones and go boom ;)

[Anderson]

Like stated before, I can help financially and am DEFINITELY up for a track day! :partydanc :hitit:

[xamraci]

TRACK_DAY_PLEASE! I will have to drive someone elses car though...unless the crx has some suspension :rock:

[adam p]

GT-2871R....just don't run race gas. All the silly new 1.8T's w/ VVT are weak compared to the old ones and go boom ;)

Starting a thread in general discussion.