The brick

[linuxman51]

Well, winter is in the air, and with it comes extreme shrinkage of internal parts(before one lets their vehicle warm up).. and it seems that this season is going to put an end to the original engine in the 'ol brick. (Piston slap for those out of the know... nasty side effect of turbo'ed engines that start getting old & dont have a means of extra upper cyl. lubrication)

Ive been hashing it out with some people and I've come up with some numbers for the bottom end (the rest is a secret.. those who know needn't talk about it... it'll be my surprise :twisted: )

I'm gonna take an '83 b23 block, get some nice rods and really nice pistons, aim for a c/r of about 9.0 to 9.5:1, balance & blue print the whole mess, machine the block for oil squirters and find me a sho nuff big dino pump.
I figure that that'll give me a good building point for the rest of the project, if anyone has a spare svo transmission laying around lemme know... i need one :D

[ActiveAero]

SVO transmission? From the old turbo mustangs?

[linuxman51]

yea, that'd be the one

[linuxman51]

The "new" engine came out of the donor car friday evening (shortly after adam left), and yesterday I pulled most of the external shit off the block and chucked the head over the fence.. (well i acutally set it in a corner to collect dust). Also wired in new speakers and watched sam mess with my electric fan. Maybe some time this week i'll get back down to mont to pull the bottom end appart (sam hasta get his damn flywheel off my crank first tho) and then its rod and slug time :)

[A418t81]

Ohhh.....I know....I know....

If anybody REALLLY wants to know, slip me 10 bucks and I'll tell you the secret plans :D :devil:

[CPMaverick]

I'm a little confused why psiton slap is causing you to build a new engine.

I've got a bunch of t5 parts, if you find a turbo t5 that needs work let me know.

[linuxman51]

piston slap=oval bores, eventually=broken piston skirt=ventilated block

Hey, I've got 10 bucks right here, tell me what i'm going to do :D

[1.8t]

If anybody REALLLY wants to know, slip me 10 bucks and I'll tell you the secret plans :D :devil:

I'll take five..... 8)

Kenny, go for 9.3 CR........then our engines will have a similarity :metalhea:

[linuxman51]

I've heard tell that if i take the block i've got sitting on the work bench and drop it in, that i'll have a compression ratio of 10:1.. that'd be fun :D

[linuxman51]

as a side note, if anyone slips any money for the secret plan, the slipee had better be buyin me lunch if they wanna ride in the final deal ;)

[AU RSX-S]

as a side note, if anyone slips any money for the secret plan, the slipee had better be buyin me lunch if they wanna ride in the final deal ;)

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!! :D :wink:

[linuxman51]

bitch you think i'm playen?

[linuxman51]

ah well, fuck it. apparently the cat's outa the bag. Anyway, I snagged a rare 16 valve volvo motor from a junkyard over thanksgiving for a song, and i've already got my bottom end, now all i need is new internals and some other select toys to get started.

[Adam]

ah well, fuck it. apparently the cat's outa the bag. Anyway, I snagged a rare 16 valve volvo motor from a junkyard over thanksgiving for a song, and i've already got my bottom end, now all i need is new internals and some other select toys to get started.

So is this motor swap time or is it going in a new car altogether?

[linuxman51]

It'll be a little while... we've gotta make a manifold for it, I've gotta go rob a bank so i can get some bigger internals (i could do it with what i've got, but i dont wanna hafta take it all appart again later for mo par ;) )

interesting head design, its layered (hard to explain) gonna need some porting.
volvo used balance shafts for it similar to whats on a dsm (sadly enough, not much potential with the bottom end, external oil pump and such)
Cosworth designed the head, its probably very similar to the ultra-rare 16 valve ford heads (ford toyed with the idea of using a 16 valve head on their 2.3 turbo motors for a short while in the 80's)

r&d time, here's the preliminary data..
compression ratio is going to be around 9.0:1
i'm debating on wether or not to have the block sleeved, i'm gonna have it drilled for oil squirters, it'll all get balanced, custom pistons and rods
homemade exhaust manifold :D
assuming it all works, it'll be sufficently powerful at 15 psi to liquify my transmission in any and all gears, so i'm gonna be working on a solution there too.

[1 Bad 68]

Ok, Kenny, in all seriousness, not trying to be an ass, but is this car worth the money you are going to have to spend? Think about all the strip clubs you could go to for this amount. Not even worrying about the money, but what about the time??? Sure you don't want to upgrade to a different car? Or is the ultimate sleeper all you have an eye for?

[1.8t]

OB, you would be surprised at what volvo's can do for the money........especially with Kenny and Sam working on them

[linuxman51]

He's right, i could throw that money into a 1992 eclipse, just like scott did... oh wait, where's his car? ah yes, parked. Potential? perhaps, but i'd spend more to go slower with something else, including what its going to cost in drivetrain upgrades.
Also, the volvo bottom ends of yore were designed with longevity in mind.. the 114hp 136 ft/lb NA engine has as big or bigger rods in it as your dsm, and a nice forged crank to boot.
I've already got the car, i've got the suspension (aside from decent springs) and I know the damn things top to bottom, front to back.
Why should i switch to something new?

Then there's the safety aspect. I wrecked the fuck out of my car a couple of years ago, and not only did I and my passenger walk away with nary a scratch, we drove the car to the body shop (50 mph off center head on collision with a 1982 lincoln continental... try that in your dsm ;) )
And then turned around and repaired the damage (well most of it.. i've got a new bumper but the bug hasn't struck me to replace it yet) for less than 400 (new hood, cross member, headlight surrounds, grille, turn indicators, running lights).

I'm assuming the comment stems from my rather ungainly hood (and fucking cracked windshield.. thats less than two years old.... goddamn trucks). To which I can only say, I haven't gotten that far along yet with the car.
I also love the way my car handles (the 25mm bars and bilstien Hd's on both ends help).
No offense dude, but your car has shit for a turning radius ;)

besides, every man and their dog has a fast eclipse, mustang, camaro, honda.

Basically, the bottom line is this.. I do volvos. I have my reasons, I'd like to own a nice 300zxtt, but at the moment i dont have $10k to plunk down on one, and thats about $5k more than its going to cost (worst case scenario) for me to do my volvo the way I want.


I will leave you with this thought on the sleeper comment.. Almost everyone I know has been pulled over and ticketed for one reason or another after upping the performance of their car (usually speeding and/or racing). I've been stopped twice in the 740 since i turboed it, once for forgetting to turn my headlights on(left the running lights on and the street wasnt dark... no ticket), and once for overindulging in a parking lot leaving a meeting(no ticket there either). And I know for a fact that I've gone buzzing by cops (hell, I raced one by accident..... micheal) and they dont even bat an eyelash.
I don't think its just luck ;)

[1.8t]

(hell, I raced one by accident..... micheal)


I swear she wanted a piece 8) .....and thats certainly what she got :shock: :P

[AU RSX-S]

(hell, I raced one by accident..... micheal)


I swear she wanted a piece 8) .....and thats certainly what she got :shock: :P

Perhaps a peice of dat azz!

[1 Bad 68]

Why the hell you going on and on comparing it to a dsm? You think I think my car is a god or someting? Don't get me wrong, I am really impressed w/my car, but that doesn't mean its the best thing on the road. Bang for the buck, I've got $6100 in the car including car, suspension, paint, wheels, tires everything, so its cheap, quick and a damn good reliable daily driver. Not bad money considering its in as good of shape and runs 12's. I'm not planning on racing the car anymore, I've got a new project, and the dsm is going to be my daily driver. I've built up all kinds of different cars, had 2 motorswapped hondas with nitrious, the '68 Firebird, 2 Volkswagons, and the dsm was a mistake. I will build anything that interests me. The dsms don't impress me because there are too many of them running 11.0's and less as street cars. Its not a challenge. Sure a lot of dsm guys have the "my car is badass attitude" but thats not me, so don't confuse me with it. I just happened to find one cheap and it ended up becoming my daily driver. I was just saying personally I couldn't spend any wrench time on that car, thats all.

[A418t81]

Different strokes for different folks. Kenny is and always will be one of those few funky Volvo guys who have asperations of gobal Volvo domination :lol:

Plus, how often do you see a 300+hp brick running around? It's going to be freaking priceless and I can't wait to see it/pound on some rice with it :twisted:

[linuxman51]

Well thats you then. Cast your aspirations and opinions about my car somewhere else.. I never busted up in your thread about suspension asking you why in the world you'd put suspension on that.. I dont think dsms are god, i personally don't care for them at all... I think they were a great idea that came off like dogshit.. they're an absolute pain in the ass to work on, something's always messed up on em (yours being the possible exception), they can't turn to save their lives, the visibility sucks in them, you can't put anything in one, i could go on for days. Thats not to say i dont like you or your car, i just dont like dsms in general, but i've never questioned why you'd sink 6100 in a car like that. "It's a volvo", yea, i've heard that before, every one of my long and distinguished list of victims said that before they were bagged and tagged, and I can do it with 4 people comfortably in the car and still out corner you.
So my question for you is whats your problem with my car? Yea, its ugly, its square, and at the moment not all that fast.. I've spent maybe 400 on the looks of my car, including hood, corner lights, marker lights, door panels, etc. I've got about 800 in the suspension, and somewhere around 300 in the performance of the car...
So you wouldn't turn a wrench on my car... thats cool, cause i'm never turning a wrench on a dsm again either.

[AU RSX-S]

Hostility X 10! Geez!

[1 Bad 68]

I don't have a problem with your car. I was voicing that I myself would not have the interests of working on it if I owned it, but thats just me. If you want to get down to HP/dollar like someone was telling me about the other day, we can. I have 6100 in the car including the car itself, not that I put 6100 in it. $200 for an afc, $25 for boost controller, $100 turbo back exhaust, anybody think of anything else the car has on it? It has a 3 angle valve job, but thats like $25 more bucks than a standard valve job and doesn't make that big of a difference w/ the power I'm making. Stock clutch would have held plenty fine for the power I'm making, but swapped it out anyways because I bought the car w/a busted tranny, so I replaced it while it was out. If you want to include the clutch it was $425. So basically w/o the cltuch I went 12.6 w/ $325 in mods. The car when new runs low 15's stock. If you want to include the clutch, thats $750 total spent to run what it does. And our opinions are different as for working on them as well. Maybe its just cause I've worked on a ton of different cars working in shops over the years, but I would rather work on these cars than my '68. And also, till this day my car is reliable. Ran it at mmp saturday against an '03 cobra 2 gallons shy of a full tank and ran a 13.3 @ 100 w/o adjusting anything. Drove it back home. That is the 4th track outting I've had in it in the past 2 months.

This is all pointless my dad can kick your dads ass crap! The basic intentions of this whole thing was I don't have the desire to take a car such as yours and make it run whatever it'll run, and I don't have a problem with you or your car, more power to ya.

[linuxman51]

But thats not the way you came off

[1 Bad 68]

I said in the original post I wasn't trying to be an ass at all, don't know how else to come off? Get that shit ready for the next ls1/stangnet meet in Feb at MMP! I'm assuming you are expecting better than high 14's with the swap and all the down time right? You could really piss some of those guys off. I know I pissed off an '03 cobra. :lol:

[linuxman51]

It had better be fast for the ongoing time and effort :)
We're looking to make approximatly 400 in street trim (not a long shot either, at 15psi and 9.5:1 compression it'd make 350hp and 400 some odd lb/ft)
I don't think it'll be ready by then... If i wanted to rush things a bit, I could have something fairly obscenly fast (but not necessarily reliable in the long term sense).
time consuming factors: getting custom parts (and being able to pay for em ;)
making a manifold, and aquireing and tuning ems.

The engine side of things isnt whats going to pose a problem, its the drivetrain thats going to be the immediate limiting factor. I'm still trying to decide what the best course of action is going to be... I can get an adapter for the mk3 supra trannies, I could get a "racing" transmission from europe (for god knows how much) or I could figure out how to make a mustang transmission work (i've heard tell that a 90-91 camaro tranny might work as well).
Reason being, I've heard tell that the particular transmission thats in my car right now is supposed to shear teeth at around 250hp.

I'm not rushing it, its going to be done right to minimize problems down the road.
As a side note, there are several mustang people who more than dislike me :twisted: (just ask drew)

[Matt Harris]

Kenny,

I was curious about the details of this head. Like what motor did it come off of? I have a good friend who is a volvo fanatic as well. (Used to ahve a 240 wagon, now has a 740 turbo wagon, and is doing a full resto on a 65 1800S) And I figure he might be interested in this.

[linuxman51]

It came off of a volvo 16 valve car (89-90 740 GLE, and some 940 GLE's)

[Matt Harris]

But it's a head off of an N/A engine?

[linuxman51]

Yes