Different track times

[AU RSX-S]

I found this list about a year ago but I thought it would be an interesting thing to post.

http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42005

[Matt Harris]

It's an interesting list, and just goes to show how drastically different approaches to performance can net very similar results.

I sure would like that RS-4 as my daily grocery getter. Now that is the perfect sleeper. :twisted:

[ActiveAero]

Cool. I've been looking for that list because I remember you brought it out to AERC a long time ago (I think).

[1.8t]

Nice list.......gotta love seeing all of those BMW's up top there 8) . I am very surprised that the golf lapped within 2sec of the type R, not that bad for crappy suspension

[Frosty_DUB]

2 seconds is like an eternity. that could be like 5 buslengths or more, depending how fast they are going at the end.

[ActiveAero]

2 seconds is like an eternity. that could be like 5 buslengths or more, depending how fast they are going at the end.

It's still not bad. Golf ownz jOo! I would like to see exactly what kind of track. I can easily see the Civic Type-R lapping faster than the Integra, but all of my references and videos usually have the R posting faster laps. Besides these time weren't run at the same time let alone the same day. They were done over the course of years so you can't compare them to straight up. It just gives a good general idea of where each car sits on this track.

[1.8t]

yeah, that was my next question.......I was going to ask if they had done all of the tests on the same day and just had one big huge track bash. Clit......I know it could be 5 buslengths or more, but it is a freaking Golf V6. I don't care what you say, you obviously don't know much about VW's because to stay within 2 seconds of a Type R is VERY impressive for a V6, quattro, heavy ass Golf. Driver might have been better, quattro might have help on this course, temp could have been colder, there are a million things.......never the less, nice times

[quattro]

The v6 4motion golf is a much tighter handling car than the N. American vr6 golfs. It may be a bit heavier, but it has a much better suspension. The 1.8t gti was over 4 sec off pace from the integra, which makes more sense to me.

[AU RSX-S]

If you read what the guy said before he posted the times you can tell it was a very small track due to the fact that he only got up to 100 mph in the S2K. Or at least the straights weren't that long. I'll try and do a little research on the track.

2 seconds is like an eternity. that could be like 5 buslengths or more, depending how fast they are going at the end.

Half a second is an eternity. It makes all of the difference in the world.

[AU RSX-S]

Here's a pic.

http://www.f1factory.nl/circuits/germany.gif

Details
Name circuit: Hockenheim
Length circuit: 4.574km / 2.842 miles
Race distance: 306.458 km / 190.433 miles
Total laps: 67 laps
Fastest lap: --
Note: This circuit layout has changed significantly since last year?s event.
Timing sector locations/splits are not available.

History
Since 1977 Hockenheim has the Grand Prix. Except in 1985 Nurburgring was the holder of the German Grand Prix. Characteristic about the Hockenheimring are the long streight parts between the threes and the simplistic rear wings on the cars. The German circuits is one of the fastest F1 circuits today, with some steigth parts and the famous Motodrom. The streight parts have got a few chicanes to reduce the speed.

Taking over as permanent German GP venue from the legendary Nurburgring has always cast Hockenheim in a poor light, for the bland autodrome could never match the majesty of the Nordschleife. But it does provide the teams with another challenge - the search for pure speed and as little drag as possible.

The circuit received its permanent contract for the event in 1986, having alternated for some time with the Nurburgring's sanitised modern incarnation. Hockenheim, however, has a few dark tales of its own. Jim Clark died here in a meaningless F2 race, Patrick Depailler was killed during F1 testing in 1980, and Didier Pironi suffered career-ending injuries in qualifying two years later. Accidents tended to see the previously flat out corners replaced with chicanes, and the modern Hockenheim is now a blast between tight fiddly corners, with the winding Stadium complex tacked on the end for the spectators.

The start/finish straight takes the cars past the last of the concrete grandstands before turning right into the first of the long, curving ''straights'' which characterise the venue. The Jim Clark Kurve - introduced after the Scotsman's death - slows proceedings for a right-left chicane, before releasing the cars again for the blast through the forest which dominates Hockenheim, and down to the Ostkurve. In the wet, the trees cause a mist to hang along the track, and increases the problem of spray when following the car in front.

The Ostkurve was introduced in the aftermath of Depailler's accident, but offers slightly more of a challenge than the Jim Clark Kurve, as it dips downwards between the apexes, leaving front wheels pawing at the air as drivers search for the perfect line. All too often in crowded fields, someone will run wide and have to negotiate markers cones and gravel before making it back onto the circuit.

The final run takes the cars back towards the paddock, through the fiddly Ayrton Senna Kurve - another chicane - and down towards the Stadium section. Having spent most of the lap in the dark of the forest, the drivers are suddenly thrust back into the light - and noise - of the spectator area. A right hander brings the cars back into sight, and is followed by a tightening left and two more open rights back onto the pit straight.

The success of Michael Schumacher, and arrival of brother Ralf and rival Heinz-Harald Frentzen in competitive cars, has made the Stadium section at Hockenheim one of the most hostile venues for other drivers and, although no harm is intended, the noise and fireworks must surely have an effect. A shorter circuit is planned for future seasons, but the Stadium section is sure to remain.

If something bothers Michael Schumacher it is that he has only 1 time won the German Grand Prix. That succes is from 1995. In 1998 it where Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard who won with Mercedes. The last time Mercedes won the German Grand Prix was in 1954 with Juan Manuel Fangio. In 1997 Gerhard Berger won the race after he had been ill for some weeks. Thats also still the last Benetton victory. Ayrton Senna scored a hathrick at the Hockenheimring, 1988, 1989 and 1990.

[AU RSX-S]

This track looks rather large. It's possible it was a different Hockenheim. I would think and hope that any car would break 100 mph on that track. I'm thinking it was a practice track around the size of Little Talladega.

[ActiveAero]

This track looks rather large. It's possible it was a different Hockenheim. I would think and hope that any car would break 100 mph on that track. I'm thinking it was a practice track around the size of Little Talladega.

Yeah cause if I calculated correctly the courses average speed for all the cars on the list is around 128mph which isn't exactly slow. It apparently isn't the right course.

128mph= .03555mi/sec
Average lap time= 81seconds
.03555 * 81= 2.8mi

[AU RSX-S]

I'll research and try to find the right one. I'd like to see some videos if I could find some.

[CPMaverick]

Damn haters always leaving the Mavericks off the list :lol: