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My IC piping is being welded and stuff as we speak (at Wolf)
Greddy Type S BOV - ordered
Autometer boost gauge - ordered
Turbo/DP Gasket - Ordered
Greddy Flange - Ordered
3-5 psi spring - Ordered
Extra Vaccum hoses/oil return hose - bought
Hi temp gasket shit - bought
NGK cold plugs - bought
I havent done a whole lot of research, but from what little i have done, it seems that the f22 is really good for boosting. Supposedly you can throw DSM injectors in there.
Anybody know a place that welds aluminum?
Also, anybody know where to buy some vinyl? Not like records, but like the fabric.
Will it be fast? Kinda sorta.
Will it make neato sounds when i let off the gas? Hell yes!
eSpyder99
10-29-2002, 12:20 PM
Glad you got all that ordered :) , give me a call if you need some help.
R&R Machine shop directly across from krystals on opelika road welds aluminum really well. They are the ones who welded my bell housing the first time I blew a differential.
Radio World sells vinyl stickers, so I would guess that they have sheets of that stuff lying around. I think thats the same kind of vinyl material your looking for.
sweet. thanks for the info. I can finally make those hot-pants I've been wanting.
Whats your #? I've gotta get my tools back from you soon.
I word.... Psshtt...
PM Me and I'll give you my number (I don't want the whole world to get it) for your tools...
I'm sure me and Jimmy would love to help you bolt everything up.
Kevin @ Wolf didnt have time to get started on it today. Wants me to drop by after lunchtime tomorrow. Hopefully i can get out of work and steal a car and do that.
Synerain
10-30-2002, 02:00 AM
I still have the H23 and you can't have it...Na Na Na!! Heh, JK.
Just wait until the built H23 is dropped into the lude with the t3/t4. All hell will break loose. Too bad money doesn't bloom on trees anymore or we could freeze hell over while we're at it!
I can't wait...PSSSHHHHH
I guess this means i can fire that illegal immigrant that i hired to make turbo noises for me while i drive
A418t81
10-30-2002, 09:16 AM
Let me know when you get everything together. I want to come watch/help and take notes for when projekt Accord goes down :lol: 8)
linuxman51
10-30-2002, 09:37 AM
Yea, lemme know too.. so i can impart infinite wisdom and point out why my car will still be cooler than yours.... ;)
A418t81 & Linuxman51 - I will DEFINITLY let you guys know when the install is happening. Im shooting for next weekend. Depends on all the parts coming in.
A418t81 - Sorry i forgot your name, so i have to refer to you as a meaninlgless sequence of alphanumerics. You mentioned that it might be possible for me to use some of your space. If thats still an option, i'll take you up on it and would compensate you in fermented beverages.
Linuxman51 - So the prelude may not be as well equipped for car-pooling school children. I can live with that. I can also live with the fact that im not as hardcore as you. I mean..burning the paint off your hood for weight reduction is pretty hardcore.
:lol: <---thats a gay icon..we need new smileys. Looks like he just got done watching 'epileptic seizure robots'
linuxman51
10-30-2002, 10:11 AM
i didnt burn the paint off my hood.... some motley person in an 82 lincoln towncar "adjusted" my hood and front end for me..
I realize not everyone can be the fastest thing on 4 wheels and still carry a load of groceries, but hey, someone's gotta be that asshole (and its ME! :D)
a12t64 is greyson
Which weekend and what kinda space are we talking about? My parking lot is way cooler than his (not to mention smoother) and if you were talking about this weekend (2nd, 3rd, etc) we might could squeeze you in at the big house, i would have to confer with my colleague and acomplice in crime tho.
On a side note, greyson, we're doing a 5 speed swap in sam's death wagon and pulling appart some engines at the warehouse this weekend.. ya in?
A418t81
10-30-2002, 11:24 AM
Haha. Actually, I am going to Atl this weekend, but I think I will be back on Saturday. We'll see.
What are you talking about, your parking lot sucks ;) Now if we can get Jess into the big house, that would be cool. A MIG welder is always a nice thing to have around when dealing with tubing. Let me know what Sam says and I"ll try to be back on saturday or just possibly postpone the Atl trip until next week.
If no big house, my place is fine with me. Either way, it doesn't matter, I just want to see the hair-dryer on that motor.
Yeah, and my name is A418t81 you volvo bitch :P
Jess, my name is Greyson.
Actually, it would most likely be next weeked Nov 8-9. Probably....im still waiting on a few parts. I may be able to wait on the BOV and BOV flange and do that afterwards.
I would like to get the 3-5psi spring just so i can start out with low boost so im sure nothings gonna break
I dont know how viable it would be to leave out the turbo/dp gasket, but they might mate up good enough as it is. I have some hi-temp gasket shit if thats the case.
W00t. I need to order a manual boost controller too. Should be able to do that tomorrow i think
linuxman51
10-30-2002, 12:24 PM
adjust the wastegate dude, you don't really need a different spring... loosen it up as far as it will go and you should be fine...
You do have a fuel pump/fpr, etc, right?
CPMaverick
10-30-2002, 03:59 PM
What type of aluminum welding do you need done?
I definitely want in on the action. I'd love to get under there and starting helping out a "soon-to-be" boost guage buddy.
Boost guage buddy memebers:
Me
Jimmy
Raiden(aka. Da Flame #7)
Thats it so far, we are accepting applications though 8)
Update: went to wolf today and spent a little over 4 hours running the IC piping. Come to find out f22 and h23 have completely different exuausts. I think im gonna go ahead and have 3" exhaust done. As far as the welding, the guy over there made me some mounts, so i dont think i need welding on the IC anymore.
It looks like the install is going to have to take place at wolf, either that or run straight headers between wolf and wherever the install is. It would be nice to do it at wolf, cuz the oil pan shit would be a hell of a lot easier, not to mention they could probably weld the return fitting on.
The IC piping is 80% done and it aint pretty, its got a couple tight bends in it, but i dont think this car is going to be in super street anytime soon, so no biggie.
Im really not sure about how the rest of the process is going to go, and its a bitch to get over there because i work until 4:00 and they arent open on weekends
AC lines are going to be a bitch to move around. it might be a hot summer.
yeah, i got a pump and FPR. I think the FPR is brand new. Been a loong day, but its gettin there
Sounds like this is the plan. Im going to have wolf make me a 3" exhaust with a 3" test pipe. Im going to get an N1 knockoff muffler. The turbo install is probably going to take place AT WOLF.
So, lets come up with a day during the week that people can help out and stuff so people that want to help dont get left out. I already asked kevin and he said its cool if people came by to help out with the install.
Im still waiting on the following parts:
Wastegate spring
new boost gauge (last one is toast)
N1 knockoff muffler (havent ordered yet) edit: Ordered
Anyone got a spare boost gauge i could borrow? (in case mine takes a long time to get here...)
Whats still needed to be done (stuff that me/we could do)
remove oil pan and drill hole for fitting, install fitting
hook up oil feed
install fuel pump
install FMU
run some vaccum lines, install check valves
put in new plugs, dist cap, and rotor button
linuxman51
10-31-2002, 05:47 PM
No biggie, why open headers tho? you having the entire exhaust removed? :) have em fab some sorta down pipe that goes down and then maybe points back, and then it can be attached to your existing exhaust until you get the new stuff in...
I've got a boost gauge, but it reads only vaccum and boost (i.e. theres a line in the middle, if its to the left, its vaccum, if its to the right its boost)
You can use mine for tuning purposes and then borrow the other to keep a vague eye on things until the new one shows up
Again, you shouldn't need a wastegate spring, that stuff is adjustable. (like you can dial it down with the existing actuator to get 4-5 psi)
btw, did you get new injectors?
ActiveAero
10-31-2002, 05:59 PM
I definitely want in on the action. I'd love to get under there and starting helping out a "soon-to-be" boost guage buddy.
Boost guage buddy memebers:
Me
Jimmy
Raiden(aka. Da Flame #7)
Thats it so far, we are accepting applications though 8)
I put the boost guage in Brandon's car so I hope I can be on the list as well. :wink:
well, i already ordered the spring, so i might as well install it, then get a MBC. I should be getting the inkjectors next week. As far as the SAFC, thats probably going to be late next month. Im getting kinda broke. When Wolf is done with their part, there's only like an hour left on the install, so doing the rest of the stuff there makes sense. Its nice to have a lift to do the oil pan shit. After that, its just a matter of hooking up the FMU,pump and a couple of vaccum lines (which i am clueless on). A gauge will definitly help. ITs possible that mine will get here in the next couple days, but i dont have a tracking # on it, so i really dont know.
linuxman51
10-31-2002, 07:00 PM
its more than an hour, esp if you've never done it :)
Nothing *ever* happens in the amount of time its "supposed" to happen
Is wolf bolting the turbo on the car?
its more than an hour, esp if you've never done it :)
Nothing *ever* happens in the amount of time its "supposed" to happen
Is wolf bolting the turbo on the car?
They're going to mount it in order to get the IC piping routed correctly, but i'll be doing the actual install (installing gasket and tightening bolts).
Oh yeah, got a question, what should i use on the AN fittings for the tubo feed? that nylon stuff, or threadlock? I think i have some of each, but want to make sure. If you come out to the meeting on Tuesday, could you bring that gauge? I'll try to remind you again before then.
PS: PB BLASTER IS THE SHIT!!!!!. The header came off like butter after soaking for like 15 minutes. Alien technology from the Roswell crash?
linuxman51
10-31-2002, 11:37 PM
which one, the calibrated one or the "turbo" gauge?
as for the feed lines, I have none of the above on mine, but if i were to do it again, i'd probably use the white teflon stuff, and not thread lock.
yea, pb blaster works great.. you'll especially appreciate it when you have to take your turbo off (I say when, because you _will_ have to take it off at least once in the coming months.. I've had to take mine of a couple of times for new gaskets)
As a side note, pb blaster seems to be something along the lines of a fairly corosive wd-40 (well, it reacts to a certain degree with rust)
good stuff, well worth the $4 or so it costs a can.
Don't use the nylon stuff...
Speaking from experience... When me and jimmy dropped the tranny this time around that shit snapped like a fucking twig when it got pulled on. The heat from the engine turned it as brittle as a pringle chip. No matter what that nylon cord just cannot stand up to heat period... Just go with something else...
PB Blaster rules the world... Just wished it worked to loosen up women as well (shit.. can't believe i said that... (just look at the time of my post :D))
A418t81
11-01-2002, 09:40 AM
I believe that Jess was talking about the white teflon tape to seal the fittings on the turbo. However, I have the nylon tube for my boost guage (which has been in the car for over a year).....the tube lays ON the engine in a few places and I haven't had an issue with it yet. Still as pliable as day one. Thats why people use nylon because it is very resistant to heat.....that said, you can "kink" it easy.
yeah, i was talking about nylon tape or threadlock for the AN fittings for the oil feed on both the block and the turbo itself.
Sounds like me and linuxman are goin to Wolf on wednesday to at least get the FPR and fuel pump installed. If wolf gets around to finishing up the IC piping, then we can mount the turbo and oil lines..and well...i guess at that point i'd have a turbo prelude.
Edit: Anyone else interested in helping out, just show up. Im not clear on a time yet, but i'll post it when i figure out my schedule next week
Still waiting on lower-psi spring,bov,new boost gauge <--notice the list getting smaller :)
I dont need to borrow a gauge anymore.. Mine came in. Is purdy
http://67.33.14.41/turbo/new_gauge.JPG
A418t81
11-03-2002, 04:44 PM
Haha.......too bad half the turbo cars in this town would max that guage out :P :metalhea:
half the turbo cars in this town can lick my sac :lol:
CPMaverick
11-03-2002, 05:25 PM
Congrats on already running .5 psi of boost :lol:
i bought it off ebay, and sent 2 emails saying 'make sure the gauge reads 0 before shipping out'. I guess its close enough for a $50 gauge
FastRedPonyCar
11-04-2002, 03:20 PM
If you think that this project is gonna be fun wait till it's time to put THESE babies under my hood! :twisted: http://www.youngsperformance.com/images/brands/YP/turbokit/46turbomount.jpg
WiggiE
11-04-2002, 03:46 PM
If you think that this project is gonna be fun wait till it's time to put THESE babies under my hood! :twisted: http://www.youngsperformance.com/images/brands/YP/turbokit/46turbomount.jpg
Why don't you just do a single turbo setup??
Why don't you just do a single turbo setup??
Because the more the merrier :D
With 2 exhaust banks??? That means he is going to have to find a header that will connect in the middle and create one opening for the turbo while directing exhaust gas from all eight cylinders out that one opening. Appears to be easier to go twins on that car since a manifold of the type described would no doubt be an engineering accomplishment and expensive. Now, from looking at the picture, the exhaust manifold must be funky shaped to position the turbos where they are. Do you have any pictures?
A mani would be expensive, but so would another turbo
CPMaverick
11-04-2002, 08:32 PM
That looks fucked up, if the turbos were flipped then the two inlets could be teed together through a filter from the grille, and the exhaust manifolds could exit the front right into the turbo. I wonder why they went with that mouting setup :?:
quattro
11-04-2002, 09:08 PM
With 2 exhaust banks??? That means he is going to have to find a header that will connect in the middle and create one opening for the turbo while directing exhaust gas from all eight cylinders out that one opening. Appears to be easier to go twins on that car since a manifold of the type described would no doubt be an engineering accomplishment and expensive. Now, from looking at the picture, the exhaust manifold must be funky shaped to position the turbos where they are. Do you have any pictures?
It's not very hard to run 2 cylinder banks into a single exhaust housing, in fact its probably much cheaper. The WRX does it, as do the old GM turbo sixes and most pre-993 Porsche turbos.
Well, I will say this.......if it were easier, then I gurantee that they would do it;). A T3/T4 can be had for $650 brand new(depending on trim).........I don't know how much $$$ would go into a mani to deisgn
Update: Kenny was kind enough to give me a lift to Wolf yesterday and we worked on the car. Fuel system is basically done. Just need to wire up the pump and get a vaccum T fitting and some new check valves.
If everything goes as planned, looks like the remainder of the work (oil shit) is gonna get done tomorrow. I'll be there as early as someone is willing to give me a ride there, and anyone is welcome to help. Im not sure how many people is too many, because its not my shop. Kevin seems pretty cool though.
Exhaust work should resume between thursday and monday
eSpyder99
11-05-2002, 04:08 PM
Sounds like something worthy of skipping a few classes for :D . Studying for this management test is kicking my ass, so I'll probably be drinking heavily tonight. But as soon as I wake up I'll come over there and help you out. If you still haven't gotten a ride, I can do that too, hopefully it'll be in the AM, but the way this test is looking I'm not sure. :wink:
Sounds like something worthy of skipping a few classes for :D . Studying for this management test is kicking my ass, so I'll probably be drinking heavily tonight. But as soon as I wake up I'll come over there and help you out. If you still haven't gotten a ride, I can do that too, hopefully it'll be in the AM, but the way this test is looking I'm not sure. :wink:
cool deal
FastRedPonyCar
11-06-2002, 03:04 PM
That is actually the first twin turbo setup for the 4.6L engine. There are numerous single turbo setups and all of them (including this twin setup) includes the headers, complete fuel system, all manifold tubing, MAF, larger throttle body and ECC chip. The kits are supposed to include everything except a dyno for final tuning, priced from $3000 ~ $7000+ As soon as God drops a $10,000 check from the sky, it will happen...
---Thanks to everybody that helped---
For those that werent there, we got the following done:
1. Got 93 octane in my mouth, nose, face and hair.
2. Got oil feed and return hooked up.
3. Heard the phrase 'Oh dude, you're totally fucked..oh wait..nevermind, i fixed it' 17 times
4. Suffered in the cold with urine soaked pants. There was extreme shrinkage.
5. Fuel system is done for now
What needs to be done:
1. boost gauge (got my pillar in the mail today)
2. Turbo Intake
3. Cut some of the manifold out
4. Extend O2 sensor wires
5. Bolt up down pipe
6. Turbo to intercooler pipe
I have to work like 13 hours tomorrow (thursday) to make up for the hours i missed today. Maybe i can make it over there at some point Friday to finish
A418t81
11-06-2002, 08:05 PM
We did the T fitting already. You still need to make the turbo intake and the turbo to intercooler pipe as well as the rest of the stuff you listed. Have fun working 13 hours tomorrow....yech
13 hours....lookin forward to each and every one
linuxman51
11-07-2002, 12:35 AM
Yea, the qualude was being a big fat nasty today :D
By the way, the "You're fucked" comments are completely and totaly necessary to maintaining the flow of mechaniking that was going on.
when the fucking tee wouldn't go in, you were fucked
when the wire came off the oil dummy light, you were fucked (well, fucked to having an oil light on... ;) )
I can't think of.. oh yea, the fuel system.
Since there's going to be ample time friday, go a head and have the wastegate taped into the downpipe and see if they can't fab up some sorta down turn for the end of the dp until you can get the exhaust hooked up (not for your ears.. for the sake of cleanliness under the car)
linuxman51
11-08-2002, 07:28 PM
Well, despite what many nay-sayers have said, the downpipe went on like a champ (after some studying of forces and vectors and a few bolts here and there)
It don't leak none (yet)
its not too loud
it spools fairly quickly (and moves a fuckload of air)
sadly it doesn't have a turbo to ic pipe or we would have been boosting it in the grass... ;)
Jimmy - you know where the fittings for the boost gauge are?
Kenny - thanks again for all the help and turbo knowledge.
eSpyder99
11-09-2002, 10:53 AM
Jimmy - you know where the fittings for the boost gauge are?
If your not going to do that rubber hose and zip tie idea you thought of earlier, then you have to make trips to 2 hardware stores (Loews and Ace) to get the parts to make a T fitting.
Get a brass T with three 1/8'' FEMALE ends (That's at Loews).
The brass fittings that came with the boost gauge should fit into one of those ends.
The other two ends, you'll need to get at Ace hardware because Loews doesn't have them in small sizes (unless you want a monster T fitting like that contraption on your wastegate :wink: ) They are 1/8'' MALE ends with 1/8'' barbs.
I have no idea why autometer doesn't include all of this stuff to begin with, I guess it would make things too easy. Give me a call if you run in to trouble, hopefully you can find all that you need.
i was talking about the brass bits that connect to the gauge itself.
Things left to to:
1. Thermal insulation
2. IC piping bend, then couple existing pipes
3. keep wastegate hookup from hitting chassis.
a: beat the shit out of the chassis
b: cut out part of the chassis
c. find a smaller wastegate fitting
4. re-fasten that chassis support. i forget what its called
5. Loosen the wastegate spring adjustment ALL THE WAY. im sure about this now
eSpyder99
11-10-2002, 01:59 PM
i was talking about the brass bits that connect to the gauge itself.
Damnit, I typed all that shit for nothing, specify hoe :wink: :D . Those brass things should have come with it, but you can just get the boost gauge kit from advanced for like $5.99.
yeah, they came with the gauge bitch :wink: , its just that you were working with it, and thought you might know where they went. If i dont find 'em, i'll go to advance and get that kit
Alright!!!. I left my lude's windows down last night. It should be smellin pretty ripe!
eSpyder99
11-11-2002, 11:32 AM
Alright!!!. I left my lude's windows down last night. It should be smellin pretty ripe!
:jawdrop: Shit! That sucks, hopefully nothing got messed up.
the worst thing that could have happened is that the insides of my ECU got a thorough cleaning. A clean ECU is a happy ECU
bout fockin time, now i gotta order me a flange
http://67.33.14.41/turbo/bov.JPG
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