Clarification of the turbo on the prelude (not jess's )

[linuxman51]

There was some discussion about the turbo found on X's prelude (i dunno his name ;) ) so I looked it up, and this is what they say it is:

TD05/TD06H-18G

As a side note to the owner of said car, when ya gettin an IC man? :)

[Adam]

There was some discussion about the turbo found on X's prelude (i dunno his name ;) ) so I looked it up, and this is what they say it is:

TD05/TD06H-18G

As a side note to the owner of said car, when ya gettin an IC man? :)

The car belongs to Scott of Zen Motor Sports...

Next step in the build up is a BOV (Closed turbo systems = compresser surge bad :D) and an IC..... We just need to find a freakin place to mount it. Anyone have any sites of a Prelude buildup w/ a nice IC?

[linuxman51]

IC shouldn't be that bad, looking at it last night, you could turn the outlet from the turbo around and run one like that up front, or you could fab up something that would require more piping... the only drawback to turning the outlet around is the piping would be going over the exhaust.. Now if he got some thermal wrap for the down pipe, it wouldn't be that bad.....

Is he going to run a blow off or a bypass? bypass is a little easier, bov is a little louder (I run a bypass on my car... we tried to make it a bov, but it wouldn't stay shut at idle)...

[Adam]

I'm not entirely sure about the bypass/BOV question. I'm about 70% sure he's got his heart set on a BOV.

A front mount is getting close to being out of the question. There's no real room under the front bumper (I say that meaning w/out going to hell and back w/ a dremel and re-routing some shit under there). I liked your double stack radiator/IC but, the turbo housing has only an inch clearance to the radiator as it is now. Add to this that the car is lowered so damage to a front mount close the lip of the body line is a ever present danger.

I wish he had gotten the carbon fiber hood that scooped up instead of down (He got the hood before he began planning for the turbo) b/c then we could make a wicked little top mount.

Were probably gonna put the car up on the lift one day and just start measuring everything to find the right place. Shit, just mount it in the passenger window and keep it rolled down. If it starts raining just bolt it up over the AC ducts :D... We'll find a way somewhere...

[Frosty_DUB]

you run a bov on hondas because they use a map sensor not a maf.

if he gets a big ic, he will have to take the bumper support off.

[1.8t]

Frosty answered my question..............BOV is the way to go. OH, by the way, don't make excuses because of room, all you need is a custom core and the piping. The core would run $350 and he could get it in any dimensions specified, then piping could be bent accordingly. If an A4 or a Golf/Jetta can fit an FMIC behind the front bumper, I sure as hell know a Prelude can :shock: 8) :lol:

[Jess]

Hers some pics

http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/intercooler.jpg
http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/intercooler_side.jpg
http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/intercooler_top.jpg
http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/intercooler1.jpg
http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/lude1.jpg

[WiggiE]

http://67.33.14.41/scar/Turbo/lude1.jpg

Damyum....dat's tizight!

[ZEN]

thanks for the interest. i just spotted this post and desided to update the plans for the turbo. im open to any input or ideas from anyone.
intercooler- i already have it at the shop. i dont remember what the core size is (24x8x3?) but it should just fit without having to remove anything but a/c piping that runs directly in the way of the piping. im now trying to find a good deal on some piping. there is no way in hell im using crush-bent intercooler piping. i might use some polished intake piping with cupplers, or i might get some mandrel bent aluminum. im planning on 2.5" intercooler piping (intercooler has 2.5" inlets/outlets). the intercooler has the inlet and outlet on the same side to make install much easier. i might get a little pressure drop but the only other choice is around the down pipe or under the car, which will last about 2 weeks before i rip it off. either way, there will be more tubing used. im running it with the least amount of bends and the shortest tube lengths possible. the intercooler is a spearco core with custom tanks.
blow off valve-Turbo xs RFL, i think. ive got a good deal with them but the RFL is loud. any sugestions? im not a big fan of the greddy blow off valves, put they are a quality piece.
I still need to sell my DC Sports exhaust ($390 if anyones interested :wink: ) its to small for the turbo (2.25").
Next is a turbo timer and ignition, and so one.
Thanks for the photos, its always easier when you can see an example.

[Felix]

I don't mean this in a bad way, but you really need to do some more research first.

Pick up and read Corky Bell's book first before you start any turbo project, or just do some more turbo research in general. I'm not talking about Honda turbo forums and other boards, just research how turbos work in general and how to get the most power out of them. You don't seem to have much of an understanding of ICs (IE: what causes presure drops or what not) or turbo setups in general. A better way to put it would be, you don't have the experience.

Go to ebay or books a million and pick up some books about Turbocharging.

Just a suggestion.

[ZEN]

Thanks for the advise, but i have a good idea of what im doing with my car. im not saying i know everything about turbocharging every car (i wish i did) but if you could see everything in person, you would get the picture. if you think you have a better plan, let me know. i have a few books about turbochargers, but i will check out the one you recomended, i havnt seen it yet. "maximum boost," correct?

[A418t81]

Yup, thats the name. Its a bit old, but a pretty good read. I would not consider it a full blown write-up on full turbo systems however......more of a primer or survey of the major systems involved.

[ZEN]

now that ive thought about it, i have seen it at books a million, but it hasnt been there since.

[Felix]

Order it online.

but if you could see everything in person, you would get the picture.

I have seen the car in person, its not the setup I would have personally gone with. As much as those setups are, you should at least get a BOV.


if you think you have a better plan, let me know.

I personally would worry about getting a BOV & IC. That is assuming you already have other supporting mods, IE: enough fuel & a way to tune the car. If you don't have the other supporting mods, keep the boost turned down.

[maxpsi]

now that ive thought about it, i have seen it at books a million, but it hasnt been there since.

Yosuke got his from Amazon.com.

[ZEN]

i was thinking about going with the fmax kt but i have talked with many people who have had to grind out down pipe flanges and exhaust manifolds to get the kit to bolt up, as well as manifold cracking. the greddy kit bolted up perfectly and they used a new tubular cast iron manifold design which is much stronger and produces a slightly faster spool up time. the greddy kit retail price is high, but i get wholesale, which ended up being a little cheeper then a drag or fmax kit at wholesale. Besides, i wanted a better BOV and intercooler then what came with most of the other kits.
i was planning on getting the intercooler and BOV installed when i got the turbo kit, but other things came up and i had to waist my money on other
shit. you know how things go sometimes.
I personally would worry about getting a BOV & IC. That is assuming you already have other supporting mods, IE: enough fuel & a way to tune the car. If you don't have the other supporting mods, keep the boost turned down.
why do you think ive kept the boost at 8psi?? im not a freaking idiot :?
Felix, who are you? what do you drive?

[AccoRdINlySlo]

The FMAX kits are good from what I have seen and heard. Every turbo kit always include sum mods and cutting or something close to that. Greddy turbo kit is just a basic bolt-on, plug and play kit. Also the reason the Greddy kit spools faster is b/c of the turbo itself, its just smaller. Thats one of the main reason why my bro didn't get one. The Greddy kits only has so much potential.
Also I bet you I could have gotten you a DRAG or REV HARD kit for the price you paid for you Greddy kit. I'm sorry to say but your really not getting the full wholesale price from Greddy, trust me on this one. I know for sure that I could have gotten your turbo kit way cheaper then you paid. I'm not tryin to rag on u and all but unless your shop name is printed with Greddy advertisements, you're not a disturbor and which means your dont get "wholesale" prices. Also with the DRAG or R/Hard kit, you have at least gotten a BOV and FMIC. How better BOV or FMIC could have you gotten differnely from these kits. The DRAG runs the HKS BOV and Sperco FMIC. HKS is consider one of the best and the only FMIC I can think of that would be better is the phatdaddy, bigaZZ APEX one.
But since your having problems wit getting piping for your FMIC and BOV, have you tried to call DRAG or R/H and see if you could buy the piping?

[WiggiE]

im not a freaking idiot :?
I beg to differ.

Felix, who are you? what do you drive?
I really don't see how that matters.


Anyway, once again if you had done your research you would some things. And one thing people know is, it's not how you stand by your car, it's how you drive your car. Seriously, do you not know that Greddy makes a full bolt-on I/C kit for your car. Their I/C's are very quality, and no cutting and griniding to make it work. It's pretty sad if you got the Greddy kit b/c of the cost. The real cost difference between the Greddy kit and a good kit, Revhard, is not that large. If you didn't have the extra money to spend on the better kit, then you don't have enough money to go turbo. But that is pretty obvious, since you still don't have a BOV on your car.


One more thing, just about any turbo kit for a Honda, you will hear about manifolds cracking. The major cause for that is having no flex pipe.

[ZEN]

do you not know that Greddy makes a full bolt-on I/C kit for your car. Their I/C's are very quality, and no cutting and griniding to make it work. It's pretty sad if you got the Greddy kit b/c of the cost

i know greddy makes a I/C kit for my car, i wanted to us a spearco I/C with custom piping from the beginning. greddy intercoolers are not as efficiant as spearco (tube and fin vs. bar and plate). ive got the piping on the way, the I/C should be mounted soon.

Felix, who are you? what do you drive?

I really don't see how that matters

is your name Felix? no its not. i dont care if you dont see how it matters, i just want to know who im speaking with.

i would like to thank the people on this post who have actually made good points (and those photos). for the rest of you, you can kiss my ass. everyone is intitled to thier opinion, but im not going to waist my time trying to prove my point to someone who doesnt care. i really could care less if you like what ive done with my car or not.

[insert_car]

Felix, who are you? what do you drive?

he drives a '90 eclipse running a 12.6! woo wooo

[Matt Harris]

i know greddy makes a I/C kit for my car, i wanted to us a spearco I/C with custom piping from the beginning. greddy intercoolers are not as efficiant as spearco (tube and fin vs. bar and plate). ive got the piping on the way, the I/C should be mounted soon.



Actually, bar and plate construction is not necessarily any more efficient than extruded tube (tube and fin) construction.

Extruded tube designs are usually considered heavy duty, and are more durable than bar and plate, in general.

Flow may be restricted a bit more in extruded tube designs, but they are often times superior heat exchangers. Because of the construction method it is possible to have more internal surface area.

This all varies by design, but I don't think one construction method is inherantly superior than the other. Bar and plate designs seem to have become popular in aftermarket applications, but i've personally seen superior results in a extruded tube design vs a similarly sized spearco core.

I don't know about the Greddy vs. Spearco specifically, but like I said, I don't think that construction method alone is likely the only reason for a performance differential between these two kits.

[insert_car]

wow...haven't seen matt post in awhile

[eSpyder99]

he drives a '90 eclipse running a 12.6! woo wooo

It's a '90 Eclipse that was running a 12.6 :wink: . j/k man, how is that thing running now anyway?

Scott (ZEN), here's info on Felix's car: http://www.auburnextremeracing.com/drivers/justin/