Sport compact poll.

[ActiveAero]

Looks like there are alot of pretty interesting cars on the market. Some aren't meant to compete head to head but people will compare them anyway. If you had a choice what would you go for? Yeah I know I put my car in there because I'm conceited. That and because it still keeps being used and mentioned in comparison tests against newer models.

[AU RSX-S]

Quit trying to start shit Brock. Gah! I'm just kidding. :wink: Everyone knows which one I'm going to pick. I had the option of buying a Type-R when I got my car but I didn't. I just wanted something a little more refined and classy. Not to say that I don't like the Type R but for everday driving purposes I'd rather have the RSX Type S. The aftermarket for my car is also becoming quite nasty. My car was bought for the purpose of owning an enjoyable driving machine that can be comfortable too. The Integra and RSX are by far the best looking in this list for sure. At least IMO. Sometimes I don't even know which one I like the best. The neon would be last on my list for sure.

1. RSX-S
2. Integra Type R
3. Mini Cooper S
4. Celica GT-S
5. WRX
6. Mazda Speed Protege
7. Neon SRT

[ActiveAero]

Shoot that Neon is probably towards the top of my list. I want to see how it does on a real track but it is very impressive for the price. People are already trapping 102mph in the 1/4mi with brand new stock ones. Imagine when they get broken in. Besides it comes with a front mount and a decently sized turbo. The only downfall is that it doesn't have LSD and I don't know how strong the tranny is.

I still haven't seen a good review of the Mazda Speed Protege. I want to see how it does in the real world.

The RSX Type-S is a good all around car. Downside is that its heavier, worse suspension up front, no LSD, and no trailing arms in the rear. The absence of rear trailing arms supposedly makes the rear unstable and causes toe-in/out changes depending on load. It still handles good just a little more refined which is good or bad depending how you look at it. Shifter is great and so is engine power. The brakes however are another dissappointment.

WRX is nice but its a little to heavy for my taste. It also has alot of body roll stock. IMO they are not as fast as people think and their 1/4mi are pretty much all launch. I run against a bunch at autocross so know them decently well. AWD is nice but after the last event in which I beat 4-5 of them in the pouring rain I'm not ultra impressed by "the beauty of AWD". There trannys are suppose to be pretty weak as well. In terms of potential though they would have to be up there on the list.

[AU RSX-S]

The only reason the RSX-S got average brake ratings is because of the tires. Every RSX owner knows that. It made a huge difference on mine for sure. All my car is is a fancied up GSR. Of course it's not going to have an LSD. It shouldn't have an LSD. The GSR didn't. Why would mine? Sorry it's not a Type R. And it's not the front suspension that sucks, it's the rear. I didn't think that we were going to be critical of each others cars.

[ActiveAero]

The front suspension is MacPherson strut which is a more compact design than having A-arms (double wishbone). Doesn't allow for management of all the forces the suspension must handle in keeping the best contact patch. The RSX's is tuned great and works well but it isn't as good as double wishbone.

I'll be critical of my car. For starters its pretty barren. No map lights, sunroof, or cruise control. It's stiff and loud on the inside compared to other cars especially riding down the highway at over 4,000rpm at only 75mph. The rear wing cuts my vision in two and is placed perfectly in the way of having any chance of seeing other cars making me have to look over and under it through the rear view mirror. Its kinda low so I have to be careful of scraping on steep driveways and such. The tires are only good for 15,000mi at the most. The stereo sucks. The transmission is absolutely awesome when firing through the gears but its picky around town. Somedays it'll let you go into first gear at a light somedays it doesn't without a fight. You don't have to worry about your car being stolen every time you park. I didn't have much of a choice when it comes to color. It was either yellow or buy a GSR because somebody was on the way to buy it if I didn't. Looks great but draws too much attention IMO.

[grizoove]

cameron, dont get so defensive about your car, it seems every time the type s is brought up you get really defensive like the person is taking a personal shot at you. Not saying your doing it now, just stating an observationl.

I chose the WRX....I think it has great potential. From what I have heard it is a big time drivers car. I still haven't gotten behind the wheel of one though.

I think the mazda speed protege and the neon will be pretty big competitors in the near future.

[AU RSX-S]

cameron, dont get so defensive about your car, it seems every time the type s is brought up you get really defensive like the person is taking a personal shot at you. Not saying your doing it now, just stating an observationl.

I chose the WRX....I think it has great potential. From what I have heard it is a big time drivers car. I still haven't gotten behind the wheel of one though.

I think the mazda speed protege and the neon will be pretty big competitors in the near future.

I'm just meesing with Brock dude. It makes him angry sometimes. Haha. :wink: :D

[AU RSX-S]

I chose the WRX....I think it has great potential. From what I have heard it is a big time drivers car. I still haven't gotten behind the wheel of one though.

Lets think about this. What about the WRX makes it a driver's car? Not much.

1. You don't have too work hard to make it go fast.
2. It's AWD so it's going to be easy to control (except for understeer, haha).
3. It never matters what gear you're in due to gobs of torque.
4. It was designed for straight line and rally purposes. How many people do you know that go and buy WRX's and rally them? Not many. Except for the kid off of AERC. :roll:

I'm not trying to be critical about the car (even though I am) but these are just my opinions. I have had many nasty arguements with the owners of these cars which has caused me to not like them.

Their is nothing about the WRX that signifies to me that it is a "driver's car." PERIOD.

Sorry guys. I just had to get that out. :wink:

[1.8t]

I chose the SRT.....yeah, no LSD or that great of a suspension, but man-o-man what a engine!!! Completely awesome, but it lacks in the other areas it makes up for in straight brutality and price.

I like the WRX, I want my little brother to get one. The beauty of AWD is a good thing, and no offense Brock, but you know as well as I if those cars were driven as hard as they could have been, then they would have taken you quite well on the autox(in the wet). I comes down to the issue of traction.......which the WRX definitely has more of in any condition. In the wet, this advantage should be HUGE.

I guess I am saying, don't say "I beat a WRX in the wet, so their AWD must not be that good." You beat those drivers, not the car. The only way a car can beat another car is by having the same driver drive both of them with him getting a faster time in one of the cars. This goes for all of us..........it doesn't matter if you beat a racing go-kart or a miata on slicks, all you did was outdrive the other person. I think that most of us know what cars our cars will out do and what cars they won't out do, so we should know that when we beat a really prepped road car, that the person must not have been driving it very well.

[ActiveAero]

I chose the SRT.....yeah, no LSD or that great of a suspension, but man-o-man what a engine!!! Completely awesome, but it lacks in the other areas it makes up for in straight brutality and price.

I like the WRX, I want my little brother to get one. The beauty of AWD is a good thing, and no offense Brock, but you know as well as I if those cars were driven as hard as they could have been, then they would have taken you quite well on the autox(in the wet). I comes down to the issue of traction.......which the WRX definitely has more of in any condition. In the wet, this advantage should be HUGE.

I guess I am saying, don't say "I beat a WRX in the wet, so their AWD must not be that good." You beat those drivers, not the car. The only way a car can beat another car is by having the same driver drive both of them with him getting a faster time in one of the cars. This goes for all of us..........it doesn't matter if you beat a racing go-kart or a miata on slicks, all you did was outdrive the other person. I think that most of us know what cars our cars will out do and what cars they won't out do, so we should know that when we beat a really prepped road car, that the person must not have been driving it very well.

Yeah I know I beat most of the drivers but I'm not that experienced either. The other reason I say this is that in I believe it was Motor magazine they tested my car agianst the WRX in the wet and the Type-R still posted faster lap times. The AWD can't generate grip it can only make better use of whats there and with the same driver apparently the Type-R was still able to have more of it. Also in that huge car review I posted ealier the track was damp and once again my car was faster. Just saying that their AWD system doesn't make up for a light chasis and tuned suspension. I agree it is one of the best of the new batch of cars but you have to remember its orgins as a rally car (in which it would kill everything) before really comparing it against other cars. In that regard I believe it does extremely well on dry pavement for what it is.

[Adam]

I like the WRX, I want my little brother to get one.


Whaa!!!!!
There's another one?
Oh dear lord help us all!

[CPMaverick]

Shoot that Neon is probably towards the top of my list. I want to see how it does on a real track but it is very impressive for the price. People are already trapping 102mph in the 1/4mi with brand new stock ones.

Those are pre-production models. I don't know if they are factory 'specials' or not, but at the least they are already broken in.

I like the Neons, they look pretty good, they are cheap. But no LSD sucks.

[A418t81]

Heh, yep.....there are 3 of us :devil:

[Catchme]

My vote goes to the type R.

[AU RSX-S]

My vote goes to the type R.

Good choice. Haha! :lol: :wink:

[1.8t]

[quote=1.8t]
Yeah I know I beat most of the drivers but I'm not that experienced either. The other reason I say this is that in I believe it was Motor magazine they tested my car agianst the WRX in the wet and the Type-R still posted faster lap times. The AWD can't generate grip it can only make better use of whats there and with the same driver apparently the Type-R was still able to have more of it. Also in that huge car review I posted ealier the track was damp and once again my car was faster. Just saying that their AWD system doesn't make up for a light chasis and tuned suspension. I agree it is one of the best of the new batch of cars but you have to remember its orgins as a rally car (in which it would kill everything) before really comparing it against other cars. In that regard I believe it does extremely well on dry pavement for what it is.

I have no doubt that your car can't beat one around a road course....the autox is the only place I think the WRX would do very well against your car in the wet. Autox courses are slow as you know, so many of the corners are slow with strong accelaration out of them...that is where the WRX would shine. AWD puts the power to the ground no matter what, while a fwd or a rwd would spinning coming out of a corner, the WRX could be at full sing, blasting around as if it were still dry. Yes, you have little experience, but some people just have the touch while others just take a long time to pick it up or just can't seem to get the hang of things. You yourself have proven this to be true since I guess the WRX guys have more experience than you, yet you still beat them. Another thing is, autox's are for learning, so they usually aren't that complicated. While it takes time and practice to master them to the ultimate level, one can get very good at the basics on the autox very fast. For instance, take yourself and Mike.....both of you guys posted very fast times on your very first autox's. After 1 or 2 runs, you guys were running with the big dawgs or more experienced drivers. This shows that both of you are good drivers and that one can get a feel of the course very quickly. It kind of comes down to who has more balls. Who is the one that is going to throw there car into the corner as fast as possible. More balls means braking later, entering turns hotter, and accelarating earlier. Whether somebody's car is better than another, all that is important is that the owner know how to drive the poop out of it. As long as they can do this, their car will always be competitive.

[WiggiE]

:::yawn::: Why do most of the topics on here turn into Type R vs. all????

[Matt Harris]

The coolest car on that list is the Mini Cooper S.

Platinum with white stripes and the panasport style wheels. Chip that sucker and you've got a 200HP go-cart. Screw the Type R, S, or Wrex.

[WiggiE]

The RSX Type-S is a good all around car. Downside is that its heavier, worse suspension up front, no LSD, and no trailing arms in the rear. The absence of rear trailing arms supposedly makes the rear unstable and causes toe-in/out changes depending on load.
90% of all suspension designs have been proven on the track. The RSX's suspension dynamics have been proven. Just not in the RSX yet. I know there are tests out there on the RSX-S and DC5R, but wait till people actually start modifying them. The suspension design on the DC2's is a really old design, but it obviously works. BMW's use a REALLY old suspension design, but there again obviously it works. Different suspension designs give different pros and cons. THERE IS NO ONE SUSPENSION DESIGN THAT WORKS PERFECTLY. Honda knows suspensions pretty well, and I would not forsee them putting a crappy suspension in the RSX's.

Yes I too wish they weighed less, but they went to a more plush design than the DC2's. But a plus side with the weight is the much increased chassis rigidity.

The brakes however are another dissappointment.
Why are they a dissappointment?? Because they don't stop as fast as the Type R??? The Type S fills the spot of the GSR NOT the Type R. The type S stops faster than the GSR even with the added weight. Another thing you have to remember is tires make a HUGE difference in braking distances. One thing i do really like about the RSX brakes is they are very linear. The DC2's brakes are nice just not as easily controlled when on the edge of the limit in my opinion.

cameron, dont get so defensive about your car, it seems every time the type s is brought up you get really defensive like the person is taking a personal shot at you. Not saying your doing it now, just stating an observationl.
Yes, I agree Cameron don't get so jumpy. Alot of the people that dogg it actually do like your car alot. I think alot of times people talk bad about your car just to get you in an argument.

I chose the WRX....I think it has great potential. From what I have heard it is a big time drivers car. I still haven't gotten behind the wheel of one though.
Andy, I agree that the Suby has alot of potential. Unfortuately most of that is straight line potential. I'm not saying that the WRX can't be tuned for turns, but it takes more work to dial that car in correctly than most cars.
On, the other hand, I have to disagree about the Suby being a drivers car. Of all the cars I have driven that would be one of the farthest off my lists for being a drivers car. The turbo comes on smoothly, has little boost lag, the powerband is nice and flat, and is actually easy to throw the ass end out with just quick jerk and throttle lift, but at the same time jsut mash the gas and steer where you want it to go, and it goes. And, from professional drivers, I have heard that the car will go almost just as fast through a car with traction or with the ass end out. That gives you alot room to work with in a corner so if you fuck up, you can still easily run a fast time.

[quattro]

Ok, since when did "driver's car" mean the car was easy or hard to drive. That is a VERY vague term that simply means a car is a pleasure to drive for the shear sake of driving. I would consider the WRX a driver's car as I would consider most of the rest of the cars on that list driver's cars.

And while we are comparing said cars. I would like to point out a test performed in the current Grassroots Motorsports that compared a bone stock WRX, RSX-S, and a 330i. The idea was to compare awd vs fwd vs rwd. All the cars have about the same power to weight ratio and ran on the same size g-force KD tires. The WRX beat both in the wet and dry auto-x.

What do you mean when you say the WRX doesn't corner well? I do believe a WRX with coilovers and R-compound tires holds the fastest slolom record of all the (heavily modified) cars Sport Compact Car has tested.

As ugly as I think it is, I would take the WRX because it is the only non-fwd. What I would really want is a 350z or perhaps the G35 coupe.

[AU RSX-S]

As ugly as I think it is, I would take the WRX because it is the only non-fwd. What I would really want is a 350z or perhaps the G35 coupe.

I would much rather have the G35 coupe. And yes, I would base an opinion on how hard the car is to drive.

A driver's car is one that exacts the most skill out the driver that the driver wants it to do. Of course this could be any car but when you think about it you can't exactly take it lightly. You have to think about how hard the car is to drive. Period.

[AU RSX-S]

Guys, I don't mean to be such an ass about all of this and I'm no expert on this (by far) but these are just my opinions. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone but that's just the way it is. :D

[ActiveAero]

The RSX Type-S is a good all around car. Downside is that its heavier, worse suspension up front, no LSD, and no trailing arms in the rear. The absence of rear trailing arms supposedly makes the rear unstable and causes toe-in/out changes depending on load.
90% of all suspension designs have been proven on the track. The RSX's suspension dynamics have been proven. Just not in the RSX yet. I know there are tests out there on the RSX-S and DC5R, but wait till people actually start modifying them. The suspension design on the DC2's is a really old design, but it obviously works. BMW's use a REALLY old suspension design, but there again obviously it works. Different suspension designs give different pros and cons. THERE IS NO ONE SUSPENSION DESIGN THAT WORKS PERFECTLY. Honda knows suspensions pretty well, and I would not forsee them putting a crappy suspension in the RSX's.

Yes I too wish they weighed less, but they went to a more plush design than the DC2's. But a plus side with the weight is the much increased chassis rigidity.

The brakes however are another dissappointment.
Why are they a dissappointment?? Because they don't stop as fast as the Type R??? The Type S fills the spot of the GSR NOT the Type R. The type S stops faster than the GSR even with the added weight. Another thing you have to remember is tires make a HUGE difference in braking distances. One thing i do really like about the RSX brakes is they are very linear. The DC2's brakes are nice just not as easily controlled when on the edge of the limit in my opinion.

cameron, dont get so defensive about your car, it seems every time the type s is brought up you get really defensive like the person is taking a personal shot at you. Not saying your doing it now, just stating an observationl.
Yes, I agree Cameron don't get so jumpy. Alot of the people that dogg it actually do like your car alot. I think alot of times people talk bad about your car just to get you in an argument.

I chose the WRX....I think it has great potential. From what I have heard it is a big time drivers car. I still haven't gotten behind the wheel of one though.
Andy, I agree that the Suby has alot of potential. Unfortuately most of that is straight line potential. I'm not saying that the WRX can't be tuned for turns, but it takes more work to dial that car in correctly than most cars.
On, the other hand, I have to disagree about the Suby being a drivers car. Of all the cars I have driven that would be one of the farthest off my lists for being a drivers car. The turbo comes on smoothly, has little boost lag, the powerband is nice and flat, and is actually easy to throw the ass end out with just quick jerk and throttle lift, but at the same time jsut mash the gas and steer where you want it to go, and it goes. And, from professional drivers, I have heard that the car will go almost just as fast through a car with traction or with the ass end out. That gives you alot room to work with in a corner so if you fuck up, you can still easily run a fast time.

I know the RSX's suspension setup has been proven on countless cars, but the bottom line is that it is not as sophiscated as double wishbone and is NOT as good as maintaining all of the forces required to keep a proper contact patch. I just think they should have stuck with the old setup. Honda admits themselves to switching to it because it allows for more interior room and is easier to produce. You know as well as I do that 95% of the guys that road race wish they would have kept the old design. There is no doubt it will be fast as hell when tuned but I think of it as a small step back. This is just an opinion I happen to agree with.

Yeah tires make a difference but how many new cars have really high performance tires? Not many and the RSX Type-S in my opinon should be posting better numbers in comparison to other cars. Heck I've seen ALOT of SUVS posting BETTER braking numbers in the same magazine. I don't care what the conditions and tires are but a Nissan Xterra, Toyota Highlander, Mercury Moutaineer, and a freaking Land Rover should not be OUT BRAKING the RSX Type-S. It always seems to be running towards the back of the pack in braking tests.

I don't really think you can just say DC2 brakes since mine are completely different with larger rotors, calipers, and a way better ABS system than normal integras.

Sorry if I sound like an A-hole but this is fun.

[AU RSX-S]

Well fuck, let me go grab a Type R at the market real quick.

[CPMaverick]

Brock's right, Honda switched to a suspension that packaged better and was cheaper. it is definitely a poorer design in terms of performance theory. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Now there have been several instances where a poorer design was optimized well enough that it actually worked pretty damn good, better than a better design that is poorly executed.

For example, the late model stick-axle Mustangs handle better than some IRS cars (only shitty ones, but you get the point)

But assuming Honda had thier shit straight they should be able to make a car with more potential using the old setup.

[AU RSX-S]

Brock's right, Honda switched to a suspension that packaged better and was cheaper. it is definitely a poorer design in terms of performance theory. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Now there have been several instances where a poorer design was optimized well enough that it actually worked pretty damn good, better than a better design that is poorly executed.

For example, the late model stick-axle Mustangs handle better than some IRS cars (only shitty ones, but you get the point)

But assuming Honda had thier shit straight they should be able to make a car with more potential using the old setup.

You all have a point. And 1.8t told me tonight that Passat's suck ass. Haha Michael! :lol: :D :wink:

[Catchme]

My braking distance is 160+ from 60...Thought i would chime in...As good as that may sound I do have opinions on other cars...Me personally, I havnt tested any of these car(except brocks)...The R has proved itself on the track and if any of you guys want a peice of Brock just let him know, cus he is a black belt and will break your face...The mini doesnt impress me at all( alltho it looks madfizzast-phhhhwhatever), while you are at chipping it, why dont you just hmmm get a different car...I really like the wrx(just because im not a big "WWD" type guy,thats wrong wheel drive for you non abbreviating type people,dem v-8s is all rear wheel pull so thats all i know, all), can you spell WRC, o just did ill bet you 50 cents the wrx would get all those on gravel mud and tarmat...The neon is looking good...protege did a little number on real time i believe...gts is toyota all tho they are known for their camry they do make some decent cars, a little car we like to call the supra(daaaawg) the 87 was a strong year...and apparently the rsx is a luxury car and not a race car, as it has been so elequently stated...So if anyone needs advice on which one of these cars to buy just let me know. o and one more think WWW.FATCORYFIVE.COM for life, p.s. www.apr.com

[WiggiE]

I don't really think you can just say DC2 brakes since mine are completely different with larger rotors, calipers, and a way better ABS system than normal integras.

I believe the ABS system on your car is the same as all 98-up DC2's. Don't quote me on that, I could wrong. I have driven your car as well, and as everyone knows your brakes are incredible from the factory. I just feel that the brakes in the RSX-S are more linear than any DC2's. I don't mean that the RSX-S can outbrake you (obviously it can't), just that the modulation is more linear.

[WiggiE]

My braking distance is 160+ from 60...Thought i would chime in...As good as that may sound I do have opinions on other cars...Me personally, I havnt tested any of these car(except brocks)...The R has proved itself on the track and if any of you guys want a peice of Brock just let him know, cus he is a black belt and will break your face...The mini doesnt impress me at all( alltho it looks madfizzast-phhhhwhatever), while you are at chipping it, why dont you just hmmm get a different car...I really like the wrx(just because im not a big "WWD" type guy,thats wrong wheel drive for you non abbreviating type people,dem v-8s is all rear wheel pull so thats all i know, all), can you spell WRC, o just did ill bet you 50 cents the wrx would get all those on gravel mud and tarmat...The neon is looking good...protege did a little number on real time i believe...gts is toyota all tho they are known for their camry they do make some decent cars, a little car we like to call the supra(daaaawg) the 87 was a strong year...and apparently the rsx is a luxury car and not a race car, as it has been so elequently stated...So if anyone needs advice on which one of these cars to buy just let me know. o and one more think WWW.FATCORYFIVE.COM for life, p.s. www.apr.com
So is this anything besides one big shout-out??

[AU RSX-S]

My braking distance is 160+ from 60...Thought i would chime in...As good as that may sound I do have opinions on other cars...Me personally, I havnt tested any of these car(except brocks)...The R has proved itself on the track and if any of you guys want a peice of Brock just let him know, cus he is a black belt and will break your face...The mini doesnt impress me at all( alltho it looks madfizzast-phhhhwhatever), while you are at chipping it, why dont you just hmmm get a different car...I really like the wrx(just because im not a big "WWD" type guy,thats wrong wheel drive for you non abbreviating type people,dem v-8s is all rear wheel pull so thats all i know, all), can you spell WRC, o just did ill bet you 50 cents the wrx would get all those on gravel mud and tarmat...The neon is looking good...protege did a little number on real time i believe...gts is toyota all tho they are known for their camry they do make some decent cars, a little car we like to call the supra(daaaawg) the 87 was a strong year...and apparently the rsx is a luxury car and not a race car, as it has been so elequently stated...So if anyone needs advice on which one of these cars to buy just let me know. o and one more think WWW.FATCORYFIVE.COM for life, p.s. www.apr.com

Leet me go get a Mustang and some gears and then I'll call you. Oh yeah, the header and the carbs and the cam and the blah blah blah.

[Catchme]

Yes...might as well send some shout outs while im at it...but my opinions stick, the strong ones that they are.

[ActiveAero]

[quote="WiggiE I don't mean that the RSX-S can outbrake you (obviously it can't), just that the modulation is more linear.[/quote]

When have you been modulating the brakes Mr. Road Course Master? :wink: On the street? Are you comparing it to your used GSR with warped rotors and glazed pads? Have you tracked a brand new RSX Type-S and a brand new DC2 back to back? I wouldn't doubt the Type-S brakes could feel better but I don't know if you can come to that conclusion.

I know the Type-R ABS system has a different program. I will check to see if the unit is different but I'm almost sure it is. The ITR has one of the highest praised ABS systems out there. It's very unintrusive.

I'm glad this board is kicking a little better now. Arguing is fun.

[Matt Harris]

My braking distance is 160+ from 60...Thought i would chime in...As good as that may sound I do have opinions on other cars...

This is a textbook example of why I do not drive an american car.

[A418t81]

I'm tired of hearing about the Type R, can we PLEASE discuss another car before I loose control and run the audi off a cliff so I can use my insurance money and go whore up on the Type R since its the best machine to ever grace this pathetic little planet.

[1.8t]

My braking distance is 160+ from 60...Thought i would chime in...As good as that may sound I do have opinions on other cars...

This is a textbook example of why I do not drive an american car.

The Z06, Viper, and ordinary Corvette all dominate in braking.....

[1.8t]

Brock's right, Honda switched to a suspension that packaged better and was cheaper. it is definitely a poorer design in terms of performance theory. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Now there have been several instances where a poorer design was optimized well enough that it actually worked pretty damn good, better than a better design that is poorly executed.

For example, the late model stick-axle Mustangs handle better than some IRS cars (only shitty ones, but you get the point)

But assuming Honda had thier shit straight they should be able to make a car with more potential using the old setup.

You all have a point. And 1.8t told me tonight that Passat's suck ass. Haha Michael! :lol: :D :wink:

Here is how it works..........forced induciton is gay. So inherently, all of us turbocharged/supercharged guys are gay from the get-go. However, since driving a VW is supposed to be gay also, my gays cancel out...kind of like a double negative. So, all of the other turbo guys are still gay :wink:

[Jess]

I have a gay uncle. and a gay car. therefore, im not gay

[AU RSX-S]

Brock's right, Honda switched to a suspension that packaged better and was cheaper. it is definitely a poorer design in terms of performance theory. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Now there have been several instances where a poorer design was optimized well enough that it actually worked pretty damn good, better than a better design that is poorly executed.

For example, the late model stick-axle Mustangs handle better than some IRS cars (only shitty ones, but you get the point)

But assuming Honda had thier shit straight they should be able to make a car with more potential using the old setup.

You all have a point. And 1.8t told me tonight that Passat's suck ass. Haha Michael! :lol: :D :wink:

Here is how it works..........forced induciton is gay. So inherently, all of us turbocharged/supercharged guys are gay from the get-go. However, since driving a VW is supposed to be gay also, my gays cancel out...kind of like a double negative. So, all of the other turbo guys are still gay :wink:

Haha!

[AU RSX-S]

[quote="WiggiE I don't mean that the RSX-S can outbrake you (obviously it can't), just that the modulation is more linear.The ITR has one of the highest praised ABS systems out there.[/quote]

The Type R is the best in everything. I forgot about that. Stupid me. Gah!

[Catchme]

Hey Matt, thats the exact year you should compare all amercian cars to---the 76 corvette, known for its recently developed disk brakes---If there was a face that had a sarcastic clap i would put it on here, but there is not, so I am sarcastically clapping for you...Im sure its easy to say that about American cars now that you have a brake upgrade the size of kansas(first state that came to mind)...Can you spell ZO6,viper, heck like the dawg said, a ordinary corvette...American cars arent as shabby in the braking department as you think...Apparently your braking system wasnt the best so you upgraded...well whats the difference in an american car that didnt have the braking distance desired and the answer is_________....ill let you fill in the blank...Let me spend the same amount you have spent on your car: ill spend it on an American car and i will wax that ace... Not that American cars are the best because there are by far other cars better...This reply is just in defense of my American car brethren...Obviously that is my opinion andObviously it is just your opinion, but when your opinion is based on my 1976 corvette..kinda makes me wonder

[Catchme]

Answer key* upgrade*

[Adam]

Here is how it works..........forced induciton is gay. So inherently, all of us turbocharged/supercharged guys are gay from the get-go. However, since driving a VW is supposed to be gay also, my gays cancel out...kind of like a double negative. So, all of the other turbo guys are still gay :wink:

Nope... I disagree with your logic :D

Following your logic:

Let gay = g;
Forced_Induction = g;
VW_Car = g;

VW_Forced_Induction = Forced_Induction * VW_Car;
VW_Forced_Induction = g^2;

therefore;

VW_Forced_Induction > Forced_Induction (with reference to g [gay])

Your car is exponentionally more gay than other forced induction cars :D

[Matt Harris]

Hey Matt, thats the exact year you should compare all amercian cars to---the 76 corvette, known for its recently developed disk brakes---If there was a face that had a sarcastic clap i would put it on here, but there is not, so I am sarcastically clapping for you...Im sure its easy to say that about American cars now that you have a brake upgrade the size of kansas(first state that came to mind)...Can you spell ZO6,viper, heck like the dawg said, a ordinary corvette...American cars arent as shabby in the braking department as you think...Apparently your braking system wasnt the best so you upgraded...well whats the difference in an american car that didnt have the braking distance desired and the answer is_________....ill let you fill in the blank...Let me spend the same amount you have spent on your car: ill spend it on an American car and i will wax that ace... Not that American cars are the best because there are by far other cars better...This reply is just in defense of my American car brethren...Obviously that is my opinion andObviously it is just your opinion, but when your opinion is based on my 1976 corvette..kinda makes me wonder

The braking comment was just something I pulled out of your mind-numbingly chaotic little diatribe as a generic reference to american cars.

Do most american cars suck? Yes.

Do 76 corvettes suck? Yes.


Sorry.

Take any american car you want to and throw all the money at it you feel like. Will you be able to make it fast? Sure (Well, most people would be able to). Then it will be fast and suck simultaneously. Most impressive.

[insert_car]

i pick the non-listed GTI! :D

[AU RSX-S]

i pick the non-listed GTI! :D

I was wondering why that wasn't up there.

[CPMaverick]

Do most american cars suck? Yes.

Do 76 corvettes suck? Yes.


Sorry.

Take any american car you want to and throw all the money at it you feel like. Will you be able to make it fast? Sure (Well, most people would be able to). Then it will be fast and suck simultaneously. Most impressive.

Wow, you sure are shattering all those sterotypes of German car owners being stupid snobs.

Anyone that can generalize like that just makes themselves look stupid. At least pick an area that the car sucks in, or at least pick a car. I'm sure any car that isn't luxury 'sucks'. :roll:

[AU RSX-S]

Ok, I think this thread needs to be locked.

[Adam]

I'll let it go for a while... Its the only thing going on anyhow...

[Catchme]

I think it is amazing how people can be so unreceptive to different types of cars. Did i ever bash Audi. I dont think so. And you know why i didnt bash Audi, because they are awesome. I mean that with all honesty. I respect any car. Facts are facts. American cars arent bad braking cars. My only argument was that an opinion not be based on one bad apple (76):. An apple that is easily curable. Does my 76 corvette suck? Maybe in your eyes, but you are of a minority. How can you not like a restored C-3 vette ;) If its fast thats good enough for me. If it brakes good, thats good enough for me. screw make or model

[1.8t]

Here is how it works..........forced induciton is gay. So inherently, all of us turbocharged/supercharged guys are gay from the get-go. However, since driving a VW is supposed to be gay also, my gays cancel out...kind of like a double negative. So, all of the other turbo guys are still gay :wink:

Nope... I disagree with your logic :D

Following your logic:

Let gay = g;
Forced_Induction = g;
VW_Car = g;

VW_Forced_Induction = Forced_Induction * VW_Car;
VW_Forced_Induction = g^2;

therefore;

VW_Forced_Induction > Forced_Induction (with reference to g [gay])

Your car is exponentionally more gay than other forced induction cars :D

Your math is all wrong.......let an engineering student do it for ya.

Gay car = G
Forced induction = g

Now, these are the only two variables....no others.

Now, VW= G
and since it is forced induction is gay, it also = g

Now, since forced induction is not current on all VW models, you cannot directly set VW = to g since all models are not forced induction. However, you can set VW equal to g in this equation based on VW being the independent variable and forced induction being the dependant variable since it changes with each model......so..... VW G = F/I g Now, since I am using two different variables to denote the same thing, I can now divide by g and still cancel out G. So you have VW = F/I for this "piecewise" equation if you will for my car. It is a piecewise equation because it does not apply to the whole market of VW cars, but just to one aspect of the curve or market.

[AU RSX-S]

I think it is amazing how people can be so unreceptive to different types of cars. Did i ever bash Audi. I dont think so. And you know why i didnt bash Audi, because they are awesome. I mean that with all honesty. I respect any car. Facts are facts. American cars arent bad braking cars. My only argument was that an opinion not be based on one bad apple (76):. An apple that is easily curable. Does my 76 corvette suck? Maybe in your eyes, but you are of a minority. How can you not like a restored C-3 vette ;) If its fast thats good enough for me. If it brakes good, thats good enough for me. screw make or model

I was just meesing with you. I just like some of the slang the domestics use. LOL! :lol: :wink:

[WiggiE]

I was just meesing with you. I just like some of the slang the domestics use. LOL! :lol: :wink:
He was directing that towards Matt.

[AU RSX-S]

I was just meesing with you. I just like some of the slang the domestics use. LOL! :lol: :wink:
He was directing that towards Matt.

No shit. I was giving him sarcastic slang as well.

[ActiveAero]

First off I'm sorry for owning a Type-R. My bad for having a fairly cheap new car that performs well. I'm also sorry for stating proven facts about it which I also back up with my own personal track experience. How dare my car actually be good and me talk about it. Do I sound cocky at times? Yeah I'm sure I do, but I don't mean to be I just state my own personal experience and the views of more experienced racers. Is my car awesome? Yeah for the price it is one of the best cars ever built IMO, an opinion which happens to be shared by every major car pubilication in the world. It's not like I'm some rich punk that got his parents to buy him a 360 Modena. ITS A FREAKING $24,000 CAR! If I just drove it around that would be another story, but I am trying my best to use it for its intended purpose more so than almost anyone else in this club. If you think I'm cocky about my car good I'm glad you think that because my car is awesome and I will continue to praise Honda's achievment in producing it. If you want one you can find them for very cheap. My friend just picked one up for around $12,000 so have at it.


Matt I didn't think you would make such a shallow statement about cars. American cars suck? Hmm that sure is funny. Last time I checked you can't even run a 12 second 1/4mi with a $4,000 turbo kit not including the other supporting mods and I believe you weren't even on pump gas. Seems like a BONE stock LS1 is going to be giving you alot of problems for it sucking so bad. Not to mention the LS1 is cheaper to buy new and will absolutely toast almost all of us with a pocket change worth in mods. Don't start with that art stuff either because no one really gives a crap about whose car is more tasteful when you are getting walked by a way cheaper car. This is a sports car club not an Art club. Besides what is so special about an A4? Looks like something my mom would drive to the store. It looks good no doubt but so do a bunch faster and cheaper cars. Your car has its plus and minus areas just like my car and everyone elses. Tyler knows his cars strengths and weaknesses and he said nothing against any car here so bashing on American cars that can wax your tail with $5 in mods sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

I hate everybody. :wink: Did I mention I'm the best?

[Jess]

my car is black.

[eSpyder99]

Here we go again... :roll: I'm gonna go pull my tranny now.

[1.8t]

Brock, I don't think that everyone hates your car......they are all just tired of hearing about how great it is. Many people could have gotten a Type R if they wanted one in this car club, they didn't though because either A. They didn't like it or B. Refer back to A. The Type R is a great car, it is a civic with a badass suspension, engine, brakes, and tranny from the factory(and all that other stuff), but non the less it is still a civic. Some of us don't like the looks, the high revving nature, the noise, and the image such a car gives off. No matter how tasteful a honda is, when someone that dislikes the car calls it a name, the term "rice boy" always comes to mind. We all have our favorites, you love hondas, I love german cars, and T loves American cars. For us all to be able to get along, look at what you like in everyone elses car. I love the way your car handles, rides, brakes, and goes. I love the way mine is a sleeper, goes, and now turns. I love the way T's vette rumbles, looks, and goes. Every car has its assests that people like, so I just focus on what I love about each car. I don't mind that you post Type R stuff up all the time, but I know from experience that some people are tired of seeing it. It gives them the impression that your just showing off how good your car is, and they are tired of it. Again, I am not saying any of this to be mean, I am just saying that we need to keep our disscusions(sp?) neutral to avoid this, unless you intended for this argument in the first place to get things going on this board(and I think you did :wink: ). This should sum things up. To all of us, if there is something about another car you don't like, and it is a generalizing statement, then STFU. We don't need any BS here, so blanket statements are gay. I try not to make them anymore, I hope the rest of you won't either.

[Matt Harris]

Matt I didn't think you would make such a shallow statement about cars. American cars suck? Hmm that sure is funny. Last time I checked you can't even run a 12 second 1/4mi with a $4,000 turbo kit not including the other supporting mods and I believe you weren't even on pump gas. Seems like a BONE stock LS1 is going to be giving you alot of problems for it sucking so bad. Not to mention the LS1 is cheaper to buy new and will absolutely toast almost all of us with a pocket change worth in mods. Don't start with that art stuff either because no one really gives a crap about whose car is more tasteful when you are getting walked by a way cheaper car. This is a sports car club not an Art club. Besides what is so special about an A4? Looks like something my mom would drive to the store. It looks good no doubt but so do a bunch faster and cheaper cars. Your car has its plus and minus areas just like my car and everyone elses. Tyler knows his cars strengths and weaknesses and he said nothing against any car here so bashing on American cars that can wax your tail with $5 in mods sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

I hate everybody. :wink: Did I mention I'm the best?

It's not about art, it's about good taste. And apparently it's a shame that I have it. To separate aesthetics from the car as an idea is to remove part of what makes a car what it is. And, quite frankly, it's the part that sells cars.

My initial response was actually directed at the unintelligble gibberish that was Tyler's post. It really had very little to do with american cars, but rather was me emotionally lashing out against the pathetically immature idiocy that is so prevalent on this board, displayed in the innability to speak and write like a normal semi-intelligent human being.

And you can think whatever you'd like about my car Brock, but it's still faster than yours. And did I pay for my 4K turbo kit? Nope. My 13" 4 piston caliper brakes? Nope. My koni's and springs? Nope. Any of the mods that are on my car?...That's pretty much a big 'Nope'. I didn't pay much more for my car than a lot of the people here.

Can a Z28 take me in a straight line? Probably so. But they're still stuck driving a Z28. And maybe that's OK for some people, but you would have to pay me a significant amount of money to be seen driving one.

[AU RSX-S]

First off I'm sorry for owning a Type-R. My bad for having a fairly cheap new car that performs well. I'm also sorry for stating proven facts about it which I also back up with my own personal track experience. How dare my car actually be good and me talk about it. Do I sound cocky at times? Yeah I'm sure I do, but I don't mean to be I just state my own personal experience and the views of more experienced racers. Is my car awesome? Yeah for the price it is one of the best cars ever built IMO, an opinion which happens to be shared by every major car pubilication in the world. It's not like I'm some rich punk that got his parents to buy him a 360 Modena. ITS A FREAKING $24,000 CAR! If I just drove it around that would be another story, but I am trying my best to use it for its intended purpose more so than almost anyone else in this club. If you think I'm cocky about my car good I'm glad you think that because my car is awesome and I will continue to praise Honda's achievment in producing it. If you want one you can find them for very cheap. My friend just picked one up for around $12,000 so have at it.


Matt I didn't think you would make such a shallow statement about cars. American cars suck? Hmm that sure is funny. Last time I checked you can't even run a 12 second 1/4mi with a $4,000 turbo kit not including the other supporting mods and I believe you weren't even on pump gas. Seems like a BONE stock LS1 is going to be giving you alot of problems for it sucking so bad. Not to mention the LS1 is cheaper to buy new and will absolutely toast almost all of us with a pocket change worth in mods. Don't start with that art stuff either because no one really gives a crap about whose car is more tasteful when you are getting walked by a way cheaper car. This is a sports car club not an Art club. Besides what is so special about an A4? Looks like something my mom would drive to the store. It looks good no doubt but so do a bunch faster and cheaper cars. Your car has its plus and minus areas just like my car and everyone elses. Tyler knows his cars strengths and weaknesses and he said nothing against any car here so bashing on American cars that can wax your tail with $5 in mods sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

I hate everybody. :wink: Did I mention I'm the best?

Wow. Well Brock, the main fact about all of your posts is that most of them are about the Type R. Their is nothing wrong with that but it does tend to get old at times. One of your flaws that you listed in response to one of my posts in this thread is that "people look at me too much when I'm driving." Wow, that must really suck. It seems to me too that your car can out perform everyone elses car on this board along with most everone elses on this planet. Like I said, I and so could have many others on this board gotten a new or used Type R. We didn't want to. It's that simple. Yes Matt may have spent all of that money on his car but he as well as most Audi owners (don't mean to be stereotypical) like to have class as well as performance. By the way which is something your car lacks is class. You see. Different cars were built for different reasons. Not all cars were built for auto X and all of the other things you like to do. People on this board have actually grown to HATE Type R's just because of all of your posts about how the Type R can do this and about how it can do that. We don't care. Everybody knows what your car is capable of. You act like we're all a bunch of idiots. I have no problem with you what so ever but I think you need to lighten up. And nobody said your car can't do all of the things you have shown us, but we get tired of hearing about it.

[ActiveAero]

Matt I don't think you have any clue what you are talking about and are just trying to sound artistic. Tyler was talking light hearted and made no comment about anyones car. You made a stupid reply back that was narrow minded and ignorant. I like your car alot but you need to realize that most of the sports cars out there are alot faster for alot cheaper and look good as well. I really don't get your point about image. None of us drive anything I would even come close to calling art. I drive a Civic and you drive a Passat so talking about all this "art" stuff sounds silly.

Cameron you need to STFU. You more than anyone else on this board need to chill when it comes to their car. Me posting about my car all the time? Maybe when I go to the strip or autocross but besides that I don't post much about it except in debates. You on the other hand are constantly posting information about the RSX, S2000, or NSX that has nothing even to do with your car. You are also the first one to start crying when someone talks bad about any of them.

That said I'm sorry if I come of like a prick at times. I know I talk alot about my car in these debates but thats how much I love it. Don't take it like I'm downing anyone elses car. I love every good performing car out there regardless of nationality and I'm apparently alot more open minded than half of the people in this club. You guys need to freaking chill out and stop whining like little babies every time someone says something about your car. So my car does some certain thing better than yours. Who gives a freak? I didn't say your car sucks but if we are arguing about it don't get pissed because my car does what it does. You hate my car? Good is all I can say. At least I know you won't be trying to steal it. :wink:

Cameron I like your car. Its got a great engine and Honda knows what its doing so the suspension isn't that big of a deal. It'll probably be whooping my car in the near future.

Matt your car is freaking awesome. Its pretty fast and I'm sure it handles and brakes great while looking good at the same time. I wouldn't mine having one myself.

All I'm trying to say is that I like my car and will use it as an example because I know first hand what it will do from my own personal experience. I like every open minded person and car out there. I don't think anyone is an idiot (ok some people I do but don't we all :wink: ) I'm not that smart when it comes to cars but I'm learning. However that doesn't mean I'm not going to argue with someone that makes a retarded comment or something I don't agree with.

I'm glad we all started arguing over this. It has made an interesting topic and arguing is always fun IMO.

P.S. Integra Type-R is the best car ever yo! :wink:

[AU RSX-S]

Cameron you need to STFU. You more than anyone else on this board need to chill when it comes to their car. Me posting about my car all the time? Maybe when I go to the strip or autocross but besides that I don't post much about it except in debates. You on the other hand are constantly posting information about the RSX, S2000, or NSX that has nothing even to do with your car. You are also the first one to start crying when someone talks bad about any of them.

Don't tell me to shut the fuck up. Most people on this board are very defensive about their car and the company who makes it. The Audi guys, the Honda/ Acura guys, and the domestics. Yeah I get offended sometimes. Who wouldn't? It really offends you when you talk about it because you thing your car is God. You probably tell people it can fly and turn into a submarine for all I know. You have a wonderful car but you should have a little more respect for other people's cars. Seriously. And don't come back with some bullshit post about how all of this is bullshit because it's fucking true. It's either Type R or nothing for you and you fucking know it.

[1 Bad 68]

I think this whole thread has turned into a bigass stupid cluster fuck. You know why? Because the people are going to talk/brag about the cars they drive. Why? Because its their car and they can't talk for something they don't own, and if they do, they are just talking ouut of their ass. If we had a choice, why would we buy car we don't like or wouldn't want to brag on? Do I go around bragging about my car? No, I'll tell you about it if you ask, but on the board (in bham) where I spend the most time, 12's is slow for a dsm. I'm impressed the car ran what it did, very impressed, but the mindset I'm in now (which I don't like) is that 12's aren't fast, it really was too easy in my car. And I started feeling this way way before I bought my laser. My plans for it in the beginning were buy it cheap, rebuild the engine and sell it for a huge profit, intentions ended when I got hit and run and had to spend a good bit of money to get it fixed and painted. I knew from then on I just needed to keep the car, because I had next to nothing in it, it was reliable, and it looks good and I don't need to spend any money on cars since I'm going to go bck to school and 100% support myself. My only point is it seems like most the guys bitch on here about someone bragging on their car and how everyone is closed minded, when we all our. I am very open minded on cars, I'll drive/build anything, I've proved that over the years. But for the most part, Audi guys are going to talk shit about LS1's and DSMs, ricers are going to talk shit about everybody faster, and I'm going to sit back not read any more of this! Its just cars, jesus!

[dragnGSR]

My vote would be for a WRX followed by a Type R

[WiggiE]

I think this whole thread has turned into a bigass stupid cluster fuck.
This thread....I hope you mean this board as well. It's ridiculous to think that everyone on this board has no other car knowledge other than "my car is the best."

I'm apparently alot more open minded than half of the people in this club.
I hope your joking. You can ask anyone in the club this question.


This board has gone to shit, plain and simple. It's ridiculous to think I even spend time on here reading these worthless posts. No one can come on here and get help, because no one has any idea of help on any car besides their own, and half the time can't even give help from people who own the same car. I know I'll be the first one to do dogg someone, but I'll be the first one to help someone if they ask for help. If you look at the technical vs. bullshit threads, the technical threads have about 3 replys when the BS threads have 3 pages of replies. Majority of people on here are so closed minded that a debate isn't possible.

I made a joke the other day to Clint to not come on the board for a month. Well after this I'm seriously not going to come back. I don't care if you mad or happy that i'm leaving or not, I couldn't give two shits. This is my last time posting, I'll be back in one month. If the board is the same in one month from now then I won't ever be back. If the board turns around, then I'll consider coming back. As well as me leaving the board, I won't be coming out to the meetings as well.

Have fun and see you guys around.

[1.8t]

Wigge........ :bigbs: , you will be on later today.....so :fuckyou: for lieing :lol:

[1.8t]

Edit, this is Greyson, I have no idea why the computer logged on under michael's name........


Just for the record, I have no problem with LS1's or DSMs. In fact, had I been able to work something out with the parents, I woud have bought a DSM and used the $4k on that instead of my car. Unfortunately, that wasn't in the cards. As far as F-bodies are concerned, I give them credit that they a big bang for the buck, but they are simply not my style.

Everybody chose their cars because it was the best (in their opinion) that they could afford, etc. Everybody will think that their car is the best. I know GOOD AND WELL that even with a stage 3 my car is hardly even quick. But you know what, I LOVE driving my car and thats all that matters to me.

[AU RSX-S]

Edit, this is Greyson, I have no idea why the computer logged on under michael's name........


Just for the record, I have no problem with LS1's or DSMs. In fact, had I been able to work something out with the parents, I woud have bought a DSM and used the $4k on that instead of my car. Unfortunately, that wasn't in the cards. As far as F-bodies are concerned, I give them credit that they a big bang for the buck, but they are simply not my style.

Everybody chose their cars because it was the best (in their opinion) that they could afford, etc. Everybody will think that their car is the best. I know GOOD AND WELL that even with a stage 3 my car is hardly even quick. But you know what, I LOVE driving my car and thats all that matters to me.

You put it very nice. I think that's the best thing that's been said on this thread since it was started. :D

[Jess]

5 pages of bitching at eachother...what a shame. Why can't we all agree that my prelude is the best car EVAR! and just leave at that?

[Matt Harris]

Matt I don't think you have any clue what you are talking about and are just trying to sound artistic. Tyler was talking light hearted and made no comment about anyones car. You made a stupid reply back that was narrow minded and ignorant. I like your car alot but you need to realize that most of the sports cars out there are alot faster for alot cheaper and look good as well. I really don't get your point about image. None of us drive anything I would even come close to calling art. I drive a Civic and you drive a Passat so talking about all this "art" stuff sounds silly.



I never said anything about 'art'. You're the one that brought it up. If you think discussing the design of a car sounds stupid, then you don't have a comprehensive grasp of what a car is. This isn't my problem, sounds like you're the narrow minded one in this case.

[Catchme]

My initial response was actually directed at the unintelligble gibberish that was Tyler's post. It really had very little to do with american cars, but rather was me emotionally lashing out against the pathetically immature idiocy that is so prevalent on this board, displayed in the innability to speak and write like a normal semi-intelligent human being. Unintellibeable gibberish? Emotionally lashing out? WTF. I posted my thoughts on the cars for the pole, semi shout outs to my boy "tha dawg", B, and brock, but over all i gave a quick post on my thoughts of the cars in the pole(because thats what forums are about, unless it was an extreme technical question) You made an un-needed comment about American cars that was extremely bias(even if you were just lashing out). I sure as heck dont blurt out stuff about other cars, just for the fact that i dont wanna piss anyone off. You say that it was emotionally lashing out because it was an unintelligent post. What? i mean seriously WHAT? Have you read over half the post on this forum? You apparently do a lot of lashing out. As far as art goes, Ive got your curves everyone, one of the most recognizable body styles out there. I also have the drag coeffecient to go with it :shock: . As far as braggin goes ,WTFC. Let people think what they wanna think, let it be your fuel to become better than them, if you are already better, then make your car just completey smoke them. If you dont care, then dont care and if it truly bothers you then just wrap up a couple bars of soap and beat them. So everybody just simma down naw and have some good ole fashion high C and turkey.O and by the way i wanna shout out to my boy micheal(www.factoryfive.com)...and B(had to get 2 o them) and Brock(nice jacket).....

[ActiveAero]

[
It really offends you when you talk about it because you thing your car is God. You probably tell people it can fly and turn into a submarine for all I know. You have a wonderful car but you should have a little more respect for other people's cars. Seriously. And don't come back with some bullshit post about how all of this is bullshit because it's fucking true. It's either Type R or nothing for you and you fucking know it.

I think my car is god? You sure it isn't you that thinks I think that? Show me any post were I say that. You know why? Because I know there are cars out there that will kick my cars butt to the curb in a second. It seems like everytime I give a comment on another car everyone is like "Brock thinks he's so bad because he drives a Type-R". I never say "this car sucks because a Type-R has so and so and its the best". You are pissing your own self off by assuming what I think. It always like this with some people. If I had some crappy slow car and made the same comments it would turn to "Shut the hell up Brock your car is slow as crap how would you know", but since I drive a newer car I become a stuck up prick that thinks he's bad. Facts are facts so learn to live with them even if they come from a stuck up Type-R owner like myself and stop assuming what I think.

Wiggie I really don't get your reply to my being well rounded post. In terms of performance I am pretty narrow minded (I don't like rice) and I admit that. When it comes to types of cars I'm as open as it gets. I like every single well performing car made no matter if its American, Japanese, European, or whatever the case may be. I would pimp that new Neon (considering it holds up well) and if thats not open minded I don't know what is. Why would you leave the board now? This is by far the best it has been in a while. Its cool to argue sometimes. Gets the ole blood pumping.

Matt you are right. I have no understanding what a true car is because I don't appreciate the 4 rings they slapped onto the front of your Passat. Maybe one day I will have as much taste as you, but for now I'm stuck driving my lame civic and my stupid self actually thinks it looks decent. :o

Super Ninjas are the coolest!! Hey Micheal what time will you be getting in wed?

[Jess]

Im just posting because im bored. I get a little tired with the Type R threads too, but in Brock's defense he takes his car to the track and autox course and beats the living crap out of it while most type R owners are probably just pimpin the badge. I've always liked ITR's. Its a civic? true. If it were a piece of dog poo and still performed like it did, id drive a piece of dog poo. haha, that would look funny. me driving around a piece of dog poo. haha. just think about it. that would be a rather large bowel movement don't you think? I think about stuff like that a lot. I mean...how would the drivetrain work. would it be made out of poo also? There are a lot of details i have to work out about my poo-car, most importantly the smell and rigidity. I'll keep everyone updated in the tech section on my upcoming poo car.

[A418t81]

Ok, just for the record. The A4/Passat thing is different than the ITR/civic thing. First of all, the A4 was around for about 3 years before the B5 platform was utilized in the Passat. Its partly FWD A4 unibody with about 3 inches added in the middle.

My car/Matt's car are very dissimilar from the Passat. For starters, we have a fully independent rear suspension while the Passat has a tortion beam rear axle. Of course we have quattro, complete different sheet metal, completely different interior, and completely different wiring (for the most part). Basically, the only thing that quattro A4's share with the passat is the motor, the front suspension, and about half (if even) of the uni-body....thats it. The similarities between a Jetta and Passat are greater than the similarities between a quattro A4 and a Passat.

Finally, you use the Passat in a prodding nature. VW used the A4 platform # 1.) Because it was way ahead of its time for the class its in.
# 2 ) it was an excellent pre-existing platform on which a struggling VW could rise to its feet for the least $$. #3) The 1.8T engine has been on Wards top ten motors since its inception in the united states. This all lends to a greater chance that the Passat would be a class leader (which it is.)

Basically, the Passat is only hobbled by its intended purpose in life. There are Passat guys with suspension that win their Auto-x's (and yes, there are Type-Rs that lose to them). Anyway, this doesn't matter, very much dependent on the driver, but still goes to show that the platform on which the Passat is built is quite a capable one when outfitted with the right components.

Anyway, I'm hopping off my soap box for a while........

[1.8t]

For those that think a Passat can't autox........here is what a good driver on a STOCK suspension passat does at the autox. Second fastest time of the day, not bad huh http://www.nexttestdrive.net/video.html

[1.8t]

Brock, I think it is going to be early Thursday. Not sure, I will give you a call on Wednesday

[ActiveAero]

Yeah I know its not the exact same thing Greyson but they are based on the same platform. I wasn't downing the Passat chasis at all. My car also has the following.

1. A different frame code from all other integras and civics. From my B pillar back I have several key differences.

2. Wider rear wheel base.

3. Different body panels.

4. Different interior trim.


So I guess Micheal and me pretty much sum it up by saying Passat's and Type-R's own all of jOo. :wink:

[A418t81]

Yeah, I understand that. Its just that the A4 was around long before the Passat, so calling it a passat with rings doesn't make much sense. If anything, the passat is a quasi- FWD A4 with a VW badge and soft suspension.

[Matt Harris]

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Matt you are right. I have no understanding what a true car is because I don't appreciate the 4 rings they slapped onto the front of your Passat. Maybe one day I will have as much taste as you, but for now I'm stuck driving my lame civic and my stupid self actually thinks it looks decent. :o



Brock, I never said anything negative about your car. You attacked me on that one. And as for my car being a passat with four rings slapped on it, refer to Greyson's post.

Tyler, I do feel like lashing out a lot, because there is a lot of really stupid unintelligble crap on here. You were just lucky enough to be the one to catch the brunt of it.

[ActiveAero]

Well I'm glad we are all cool now. I knew it wouldn't be hard for you guys to understand that I'm the best. :wink: Admitting it sooner would have made things alot easier. :P


So to sum things up every car in the club has its strengths and weaknesses, which we should all recognize and try to be open minded toward wether we would pesonally own it or not. That and don't go to Red Lobster (even though the cheese biscuits are really good) because it is very expensive.

[AU RSX-S]

Well I'm glad we are all cool now. I knew it wouldn't be hard for you guys to understand that I'm the best. :wink: Admitting it sooner would have made things alot easier. :P


So to sum things up every car in the club has its strengths and weaknesses, which we should all recognize and try to be open minded toward wether we would pesonally own it or not. That and don't go to Red Lobster (even though the cheese biscuits are really good) because it is very expensive.

Finally! It's over. It was rather fun. See you guys around. :D :wink:

[AU RSX-S]

One last thing. This is the shit. A modified NSX Type R. Just for Brock.

http://www.nsxprime.com/Gallery/owners/wsham/DSCN0001.JPG

[A418t81]

Eh, it looks like a tree frog that just got done flying at mach 3 8)

[Adam]

Done...

It's locked...

I don't want to read anymore of this...