Car choices

[Veedubtrek]

I'm trying to get a broad selection of cars to choose from because I plan on selling my kraut POS towards the end of 2006. I want something that's not necessarily powerful, but fun. Some cars I've thought of so far:

1) 95-98 VW GTI VR6 (preferably in Porcelain Blue :D) - Definitely my number one choice because I'd like to stick to something I know, but with better power, much more potential and in much, much better condition than my car.

2) 1st gen Miata - Lol, I actually decided on this one after I read the buyer's guide in a Sport Compact Car mag a couple days ago. The car seems like it would be a blast; only weighs 2200 lbs, great handling, RWD, enough power for the size and weight, great potential (S2000 motorswap anyone?), convertible or hard top... Preferably I'd go with the M-Edition or the R-equipped model (not sure if that's what it's called).

3) B5 A4 1.8t or 3.2q - After doing some research I'm very iffy on this. It seems they have major issues with the front suspension going out, electrical and wiring faults, and seeing as though it is an Audi, the parts are much more expensive than a VW. On the other hand, turbos are fun and so is all-wheel drive.

My spending limit is about 9 grand, depending on how much I bust my ass working this summer so anything brand new is out of the question... The one car I would make payments on would be an S2000, but I don't want to be making car payments on top of loan payments. Anyway, please throw out some good suggestions for fun cars that cost less than 9 g's

[Black Kat]

Whatever you do, dont get a miata

[ActiveAero]

Whatever you do, dont get a miata

Why not?

I guess I'll throw out the Honda choice.

Eg hatch with a B18C5 swap. 2200lbs + 195hp + LSD = good.

[Grider]

I own an B6 Audi, and I worry about some of the stuff you mention. The electrical especially. In a B5, I would get the 1.8t, just because there are more upgrade options for the motor than the 2.8, unless you want to put a 2.7 twin turbo (s4) or mono turbo (a6) in there. The B5 never came with a 3.2; it is new in the B7 A4s

A 1st Gen Miata with a turbo will have around 200hp. There are a bunch of them in Birmingham and they sound good and drive good. I have never seen one with a Honda swapped in, but it sounds like a decent idea to me. LSD is a must, hell its a must with any Miata.

You get a Miata, watch your back, I might have to knife you for it. I want one bad to go autocross in. There are a couple of 2nd gens in Auburn for sale right now, no idea on cost. (I quit looking because I cannot get one right now, looking just makes it hurt more)

[Drew]

Get a mid 90's Volvo 850 T5. Heebspeed calls...you cannon resist....

My wife's 99 S70 T5 runs low 15's stock.

[Veedubtrek]

AUCamaro, if you're telling me not to get a Miata I'm guessing it's because people tend to look at it as a girl's car... Believe me, I caught more than enough shit about driving a girl's car when I got a VW, but by now I don't give a shit about what gender other people think should drive certain cars. :P

I guess I'll throw out the Honda choice.

Eg hatch with a B18C5 swap. 2200lbs + 195hp + LSD = good.

Yeah I did think about it, but I'd rather not. I have nothing against Hondas, but the only one I would ever own would probably be an 06 Si or an S2000

The B5 never came with a 3.2; it is new in the B7 A4s

Ah, that's right, I guess I just a little tired when I wrote that

A 1st Gen Miata with a turbo will have around 200hp. There are a bunch of them in Birmingham and they sound good and drive good. I have never seen one with a Honda swapped in, but it sounds like a decent idea to me. LSD is a must, hell its a must with any Miata.

You get a Miata, watch your back, I might have to knife you for it. I want one bad to go autocross in. There are a couple of 2nd gens in Auburn for sale right now, no idea on cost. (I quit looking because I cannot get one right now, looking just makes it hurt more)

I got the S2000 swap from an article in Sport Compact Car (I think, might have been another mag) and it sounded like an awesome idea... 240bhp in a 2200 lb car :D

Autocross is the main reason I am looking at getting a Miata or the GTI VR. My underpowered, overweight econo-box (emphasis on the BOX) is almost no fun at all so I'd love to have a lightweight RWD platform and the Miata has more than enough power for its size, plus it gets good mpg (which is also another factor). And although the GTI is about the same weight as my Jetta, it's a V6-powered hatch so it's bound to be much more fun and have much more potential.

[xamraci]

you could never be able to complain with the handling capabilities of the miata, nor its overwhelming performance on just about any track. They are a BLAST...AUCAMARO is upset because he has a 3.4litre camaro...would be butt hurt if a miata with a 5.0 swap walked him or even a small trim turbo on the ole 1.6litre...waaaambulance!

[Black Kat]

Im just not a fan of the first gen miatas. the new style is more appealing to me, with the non-flip up headlights. Im all about aerodynamics and it always just seemed retarded to me to have flip up lights(on any car Corvette, Trans Am..) jackin up your drag coefficient when your doin 100+

[Black Kat]

you could never be able to complain with the handling capabilities of the miata, nor its overwhelming performance on just about any track. They are a BLAST...AUCAMARO is upset because he has a 3.4litre camaro...would be butt hurt if a miata with a 5.0 swap walked him or even a small trim turbo on the ole 1.6litre...waaaambulance!

Hey,I may be slow as hell with 160 horses, but I still look cool :happyFU:. And I give free concerts whenever I drive by.

[adam p]

I think the first gen miatas look best with the lights up, with them down they look too pillish. NA miata lights up > NB miata > NA miata with lights down...

Hmmm maybe a little over analytical? I think miatas look good only when slammed on vintage looking wheels (panasports, watanabe, bbs mesh, etc)

[Inspector]

v8 or turbo miata FOR THE WIN!!!111111ONE

[dixond]

LT1-T56 swapped FC?

But if you're looking for a little more general info from unbiased people, here's a thread over on SupraForums w/ a guy thinking about getting a miata
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347493

[Grider]

Autocross is the main reason I am looking at getting a Miata or the GTI VR. My underpowered, overweight econo-box (emphasis on the BOX) is almost no fun at all so I'd love to have a lightweight RWD platform and the Miata has more than enough power for its size, plus it gets good mpg (which is also another factor). And although the GTI is about the same weight as my Jetta, it's a V6-powered hatch so it's bound to be much more fun and have much more potential.

I'd most definitely would get a Miata then. For $9000 you can do a hell of a nice 1st gen Miata. And you would have a good base to get into club racing if you got tired of autocross and want to go wheel to wheel.

And there are all kinds of fun engine swaps for a Miata: B13 Rotary (change oil and apex seals at the same time), LS1, Ford 5.0, SR20DET or the S2000 engine, to name the few big ones I have seen or read about.

The GTI would be nice, but an R32 would be spectacular and way over $9000 bucks. :)

[Veedubtrek]

I think miatas look good only when slammed on vintage looking wheels (panasports, watanabe, bbs mesh, etc)

That's going to be the very first thing I do to whichever car I end up going with... I'm not too familiar with the Miata aftermarket, but if I get the GTI, it's gonna get slammed on some Bilstein PSS9 coilovers and possibly new wheels.

v8 or turbo miata FOR THE WIN!!!111111ONE

I've definitely seen it before... I think I watched some show on speed channel where they had a meet of Miatas with 5.0 swaps. That's a very tight fit and when I visualize a Miata with a V8 in its nose it seems like it would be an immediate 3 inch drop in the front, lol

LT1-T56 swapped FC?

But if you're looking for a little more general info from unbiased people, here's a thread over on SupraForums w/ a guy thinking about getting a miata
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347493

Thanks for the link, I'll definitely check it out.

I'd most definitely would get a Miata then. For $9000 you can do a hell of a nice 1st gen Miata. And you would have a good base to get into club racing if you got tired of autocross and want to go wheel to wheel.

It's such a hard decision.. both the GTI VR6 and Miata have such great aftermarket potential and are both very much fun in stock form, but the Miata is RWD and much lighter AND it's a convertible... Then again, the GTI is a VR and the turbo potential of the VR is crazy, plus the exterior aftermarket of the GTI is definitely something I could lose myself (and wallet) in within a few years.

The GTI would be nice, but an R32 would be spectacular and way over $9000 bucks. :)

R32 is definitely way over my spending limit and I'd take an S2000 over the R32 anyway :D

The GTI's I've looked at so far are around 6-8k for one with less than 70k miles and in pristine condition... I'm still leaning mostly towards the GTI though, because I love dubs

Oh yeah, I don't plan on buying any car that has more than 60k or 70k miles (preferably around 40k or 50k) because even though I'm not gonna be putting a lot of miles on it, I'd rather spend most of my money on maintenance and upgrades, not repairs.

[Veedubtrek]

Alright, so this weekend a couple of friends came up to stay with my girlfriend and me. On saturday I thought it would fun to go out and test drive cars with Kyle (one of the friends that came up) while the girls went shopping. Since one of my car choices is the Miata I figured I'd go test some roadsters. SOooooo, the first place we stopped at was the King Honda dealer because I thought I could have some fun messing with the salesmen and test drive the S2000 they had and then stop over at the Mazda dealership and drive the new MX-5.

It's the Suzuka blue one, which isn't my favorite color, but it was the only one they had. The salesman had to ride with me, but he was a pretty cool guy, unlike that Mazda guy who just told me where to go, but that's another story. I loved everything about the S2000. The whole interior is completely focused on the driver. All the controls, all the gauges, everything. And the interior is incredibly clean, there's very little buttons to distract the driver and even though I'm not a big fan of the digital instrument panels these days, it was very nice and simple. The throws are incredibly short, but the clutch isn't as forgiving as it is in the MX-5. Halfway through the test drive he suggested that I take it on 280 to see what it can really do. Wow, that car can pull... and WOW!!! I love VTEC. That car officially raped me of my VTEC virginity and holy shit was it was awesome! I don't think I've ever experienced slammed-in-your-seat acceleration like that and I'm sure a lot of you could show me neck-snapping acceleration, but that's not the point... I love this car. I didn't really get a chance to push it through the corners, but the suspension still felt very nice, not too firm but definitely not soft. And oh my god does that exhaust sound good! Lol, the only sucky thing was neither of us could figure out how to get the top down and it was a beautiful day yesterday.

I also test drove the new MX-5 which definitely rocked; the interior was absolutely amazing, the shifting throws were smooth and short, but firm, and the suspension was perfect for lack of a better word because it literally felt like I was the car, the power delivery was also very very good and the exhaust note was subtle, but very delicious. I was afraid too push it like I did with the S2000 because the guy who rode with me in the MX-5 was old. I was almost afraid to get a lecture on speeding and driving like a hoodlum, plus he GAVE ME DIRECTIONS on where to drive. I was like WTF!?! I'm looking to buy a car and you're gonna tell me where to go...?!?! That kind of ruined it, but the car is nonetheless an awesome ride. I think another reason I liked the MX-5 so much was because the top was already down. I had never ridden in a convertible before and that was awesome.

Well, I guess it might be obvious, but the S2000 is definitely going to be my new car whenever I save up enough. I really want to go back there and ask to drive it now that I know how to get the top down, but he already tried to get me to buy it and I don't want to deal with that again. The only thing I'm worried about is insurance, but I'm gonna meet with an Allstate agent up here to try and get an estimate because I only want to make car payments from 150-200 and if my insurance is much higher than that, I'm probably gonna go with the MX-5. Both cars are definitely awesome, but I love the S2000 and the MX-5 is more like that booty call when you're lonely on a Saturday night as it isn't the prettier of the two IMHO

Also, I realized something that's very odd for me... Usually when I look at a car, even like the MX-5 I think about everything I could do to the car to make it look better, go faster, drive better (alright, maybe 2 out of 3 for the MX-5), but with the S2000 I don't even want to think about the aftermarket coming into contact with that car... except maybe a supercharger, but anyways, I'm sure it's just a phase and when I get it, my mind will probably change. :D

[WiggiE]

Well, I guess it might be obvious, but the S2000 is definitely going to be my new car whenever I save up enough.
:bubbrubb: :bubbrubb: :bubbrubb: :bubbrubb: :bubbrubb:

[Swine]

Dood, dealerships giving you directions where to drive is a pretty common thing.

[Veedubtrek]

Dood, dealerships giving you directions where to drive is a pretty common thing.

That's the first time I've ran into it... I mean, the Honda dude suggested directions to me, but didn't tell me to go down any particular street

[Grider]

The Audi dealer in B'Ham told me where to go when I test drove the A4.

But the roads ran along the Cahaba and were pretty damn curvy. :)

[Veedubtrek]

The Audi dealer in B'Ham told me where to go when I test drove the A4.

But the roads ran along the Cahaba and were pretty damn curvy. :)

Yeah, but how long was that drive? The route the Mazda guy told me to take was about 5 minutes long, compared to my 20/25 minute drive in the S2000

[gangsta coupe]

I went to a Nissan dealer back in November when I was looking at altimas, anyway the sales guy was pretty cool I test drove some cars he told me some what of a route to go ended up being about 20 min or so for each car. Anyway after that I just wanted to look at a 350z for the hell of it not that I wanted one but you know. Anyway business was dead that day so the salesman said hang on let me go get the keys, knowing I wasn’t going to buy it. So we go for a test drive then he says turn here go down into this industrial park, turns of the trac control for me and says want to do some donuts. Needless to say I would never buy a performance car from that dealer ever but it was fun beating the hell out of that Z.

[Veedubtrek]

I went to a Nissan dealer back in November when I was looking at altimas, anyway the sales guy was pretty cool I test drove some cars he told me some what of a route to go ended up being about 20 min or so for each car. Anyway after that I just wanted to look at a 350z for the hell of it not that I wanted one but you know. Anyway business was dead that day so the salesman said hang on let me go get the keys, knowing I wasn’t going to buy it. So we go for a test drive then he says turn here go down into this industrial park, turns of the trac control for me and says want to do some donuts. Needless to say I would never buy a performance car from that dealer ever but it was fun beating the hell out of that Z.

Hahahaa, nice

[Inspector]

yea... last time i went out to test drive some cars the acura dealership in bham let us take out an RSX-S A-spec by ourselves. it was pretty fun, but very similar to my car. dude was like, i know you didn't take it up into VTEC (i did multiple times), but it sounds amazing up there! lol

next test drive was an SRT-4... the salesman ROASTED the tires through 2nd gear and proceeded to let me do the same when i drove. it was hilarious.. said some 60 yr old man had the srt-4 up near 135mph on I65 the other day. crazy stuff.

i've also had some fun in a few TA and Mustang test drives... haha, i'm a bastard i know.:happyFU:

[Veedubtrek]

yea... last time i went out to test drive some cars the acura dealership in bham let us take out an RSX-S A-spec by ourselves. it was pretty fun, but very similar to my car. dude was like, i know you didn't take it up into VTEC (i did multiple times), but it sounds amazing up there! lol

next test drive was an SRT-4... the salesman ROASTED the tires through 2nd gear and proceeded to let me do the same when i drove. it was hilarious.. said some 60 yr old man had the srt-4 up near 135mph on I65 the other day. crazy stuff.

i've also had some fun in a few TA and Mustang test drives... haha, i'm a bastard i know.:happyFU:

Lol, that's what I'm talking about. The old guy at the Mazda place was the first one I've run into that gave me strict directions and was basically afraid of having a little fun in a really fun car.

[CPMaverick]

Im all about aerodynamics and it always just seemed retarded to me to have flip up lights(on any car Corvette, Trans Am..) jackin up your drag coefficient when your doin 100+

Dude, what do you think those big buckets stuck to the front of your car are doing for aerodynamics... day and night. :foxnews: :D

[Pegasus_Red]

Why in the hell havent you said anything about a 93 VR6 Corrado??? :P

[surfstang]

Wow, that car can pull...

Welcome to the wonderful world of acceleration. Now go for a ride in a fast V8 or turbo car.

[gangsta coupe]

Welcome to the wonderful world of acceleration. Now go for a ride in a fast V8 or turbo car.

You have to remember the new c6 z06 is "not impressive", but a s2k is :flame:

[I want something fast]

You have to remember the new c6 z06 is "not impressive", but a s2k is :flame:

Shit I knew I was way off base.

[I want something fast]

I also second Dixon's suggestion of a an LS1 powered FC or FD body RX-7. If you want a great all around car and something that will make your pooper scream with glee at the touch of the throttle then think about that. And before you ask ,cause I know it is comming, the LS1 and all of it's accessories is actually lighter than the rotary and all of it's stuff.

[Black Kat]

Dude, what do you think those big buckets stuck to the front of your car are doing for aerodynamics... day and night. :foxnews: :D

If i could have bought a 98+ model, i would have. but in the mean time, im gettin headlight covers. so....:happyFU:

[gangsta coupe]

If i could have bought a 98+ model, i would have. but in the mean time, im gettin headlight covers. so....:happyFU:

I didnt think the properties aerodynamics took effect until after 40 mph are you sure that thing will go that fast?

[Black Kat]

Wow... guess you didnt get the memo. Well... 428 Fox.... Please stop using a blunt object to bludgeon an equestrian's pet, because it has become deceased. A.K.A <b>Quit Beating A Dead Fuckin Horse</b>....

[dixond]

I also second Dixon's suggestion of a an LS1 powered FC or FD body RX-7. If you want a great all around car and something that will make your pooper scream with glee at the touch of the throttle then think about that. And before you ask ,cause I know it is comming, the LS1 and all of it's accessories is actually lighter than the rotary and all of it's stuff.

My spending limit is about 9 grand

That's entirely possibly with an FC.
high 20's mpg + running 12's = normal for a stock setup.
still retains 50/50 weight balance = great for AutoX'ing

see if you can buy one that is already put together and save yourself some hassle
http://www.torquecentral.com

[Veedubtrek]

Why in the hell havent you said anything about a 93 VR6 Corrado??? :P

I've heard they have a shit load of problems, mechanical and electrical. One of my friends said he owned one before and all he had was problems with it

You have to remember the new c6 z06 is "not impressive", but a s2k is :flame:

yea, yea, yea... but like someone said, as soon as I drove or rode in one, I'd forgot all that crap that I said

I also second Dixon's suggestion of a an LS1 powered FC or FD body RX-7. If you want a great all around car and something that will make your pooper scream with glee at the touch of the throttle then think about that. And before you ask ,cause I know it is comming, the LS1 and all of it's accessories is actually lighter than the rotary and all of it's stuff.

I don't know... after driving the MX-5 and the S2k, I'm pretty sold on getting a convertible... But everything depends on everything else to go through for this car so I do want to keep my options open. How much would it run me to buy a rolling FC or FD chassis? LS1? tranny? etc...?

[dixond]

http://www.torquecentral.com/showthread.php?t=34704
could be some engine trouble, but he's asking $7,500 and for another $1700 he'll swap in a 6.0 iron block for you (granted, it's not as light as the alum ls1, but it's still a hell of a performance bargain).

[adam p]

You'd spend about 6k minimum on a decent FD chassis

[Pegasus_Red]

yes, they do have their problems... but they are a sweet car. Just make sure you change the timing belts at 60k or big problems

[Jess]

Get a 77 Celica. My new favorite car

http://www.classic-celica.com/albums/Nismo-Powered-Celica/DSCF0230.jpg

[I want something fast]

I know that a convertable seems like such a great idea right now while the weather is nice but I can promise you that eventually when it gets hot, or rainy or what ever it will be something that you rarely use...especially when you are racing.


As for a Good tranny and motor, you can find Both still together with farily low miles for around 2500 bucks. I have seen them cheaper than that but that was for higher mileage components. As far as a FD or FC body, an FC body can be had fro dirt cheap. Hell you can buy those with still running motors for around 2000 bucks. It may need some work but it would work perfectly. An FD might be a bit more expensive since it is a more desireable with the lines it has. If it were me, I would really look into doing one of the FD swaps and start looking for a good chasis. Find a good chasis that doesn't need much work to get it on the road, and spend abour 5500 to 6000 on it. Then you can clean it up a bit while you look for a motor and tranny and get the necessary parts for swap. LS1tech is the best place to look for an LS1 and tranny. PS, you want a 99 or up LS1 so that it works with the most recent LS1 edit software, 98's had different computers.

[I want something fast]

Damn good deal right here, the guy says he will sell for 7500 bucks and it is completely put together. The motor needs work but that you could by a low mileage LS2 for with money left over and just swap, and then sell the LS1 to make up for any differences.


this is a slick f-ing car here
different one...I just love the headers poking out.
http://www.torquecentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15745
http://www.torquecentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15750

[I want something fast]

Chasis on Ebay with a buy it now for 6500
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-mazda-rx7-rx-7-chassis-perfect-for-ls1-swap_W0QQitemZ4621458595QQcategoryZ6327QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Motor and trans.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-04-LS1-LS6-engine-4L60-transmission-Corvette-GTO_W0QQitemZ8044306268QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/01-04-LS1-LS6-engine-4L60-transmission-Corvette-GTO_W0QQitemZ8044306268QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[NeverFollowAudi]

I own an B6 Audi, and I worry about some of the stuff you mention. The electrical especially. In a B5, I would get the 1.8t, just because there are more upgrade options for the motor than the 2.8, unless you want to put a 2.7 twin turbo (s4) or mono turbo (a6) in there. The B5 never came with a 3.2; it is new in the B7 A4s

this is true about the A4's

but if you go wtih the B5 then you will be looking at the 2.8Q or the 1.8TQ, I would go with the 1.8T for mods, unless you want to super charge the 2.8. I enjoy mine.

They are all good choices but they are all totaly different cars. good luck

[Veedubtrek]

Well, thanks for all the suggestions and comments guys, I will definitely keep them in mind if my current plan doesn't go through... I talked to my Allstate agent today and it looks like my insurance will be about $200/month for full coverage on an '01 S2000 which is perfectly reasonable and much lower than I initially expected. I'll have a good amount of money saved up by the end of summer, and then when I get my student loan for fall I'll have more than enough for a good-sized down payment and I'll just finance the rest and pay off the car before I have to start paying back my student loans.

I just wish I didn't have to wait so long for it... but it gives me plenty of time to do as much research as possible on all the cars, just in case I change my mind. Anyway, here's the color combo I'm gonna go for... silverstone metallic or grand prix white with black/red leather interior (or just plain black interior), pics below.

http://autotrader.com/fyc/img_popup.jsp?car_id=195635098

EDIT ~ After comparing a couple shots, the autotrader interior pics suck so here's a better one...
http://www.sandmracing.com/images/071401/whites2kinterior.jpg

[Veedubtrek]

double post...

[adam p]

Just for reference, at Crown Cadillac in Bham they had a grand prix 02 S2000 w/ full red interior, MINT with 12k miles. Dunno how much they wanted for it though, but they seemed eager to sell it. This was like a month ago so maybe it's gone.

BTW, if you can I'd recommend getting the 02 or up S2000 thanks to some interior improvements, including a GLASS rear window.

[Anderson]

200 a month :dropjaw: I pay 250 every six months. AE86 ftw.:cheers2:

[Veedubtrek]

The 01 S2000 was just a reference... I'm not sure exactly which year I'm going for, but I needed a VIN # to tell the insurance agent so I could get an exact quote... so depending on which year I go with the rate will probably vary 10 or 20 bucks. I would like to get an 04, just because they improved the midrange torque and power, gave it bigger wheels and tires, rear glass window+defogger, better gearing, and a facelift... and TWO cupholders instead of one.. lol

[Veedubtrek]

200 a month :dropjaw: I pay 250 every six months. AE86 ftw.:cheers2:

Lol, damn... i wouldn't mind 250 every 6months

[adam p]

Yeah, I also prefer the AP2 2.2L S2000s, I didn't know if you were in the market for a newer one

[VDUBZ]

$200/month for full coverage on an '01 S2000

I'm with Rick here...$250 every 6 months for our Cabriolet

I pay $150 a month for 2 cars (1 full coverage), renters, and a large diamond. It goes up to $220 a month for adding the 3rd car (2 full coverage)this month.

[Pegasus_Red]

why dont you just get a nice used 240, my friend has one down here, its a white car with a black bumper and its one hell of a car and drives like its new.

[Veedubtrek]

On the note of insurance:
I'm not really sure why mine is so much compared to yours... It could be hundreds of different factors. I know with the Jetta my insurance is about 110 or 120, so going up 80 bucks for a sports car like the S2k isn't that bad to me... Although another factor is that 200/month for the s2k is going to be after my recent accident goes through on the next renewal in july. If I were to buy the car now, my insurance would be about 159/month... which is only 40-50/month higher than the jetta. So I have no idea why my insurance is so much higher than yours...


why dont you just get a nice used 240, my friend has one down here, its a white car with a black bumper and its one hell of a car and drives like its new.

That's also another option I have on my list... but right now I am stuck on getting an S2k.

Yeah, I also prefer the AP2 2.2L S2000s, I didn't know if you were in the market for a newer one

Yeah, I don't know what kind of deals I'll find in 6 to 8 months, but I am hoping to find a really nice deal on an '04. The '04 that I test drove was 25,900, and it had about 20k miles on it. It would be awesome if I could find an '04 with about 30-40k miles for 19-20 grand, but if not I'm perfectly ok with getting an '01 or '02.

[Pegasus_Red]

Believe it or not, I actually really like S2k's very well done car, friend in the ham has nice red one, very refined and desinged well... for a honduh

[adam p]

very refined and desinged well because it's a Honda

Fixed. :rolleyes:

[VDUBNDizzy]

See sig. :D

[Pegasus_Red]

awww, dont get all butt hurt...
hondas stock can beat probably both my cars. :cheers2:

[Veedubtrek]

Lol, the last car I ever thought I would own is a Honda... and here I am, drooling over one :D

[VDUBZ]

my insurance is cheap because I'm married and 25. ;)

[Veedubtrek]

my insurance is cheap because I'm married and 25. ;)

then my insurance is expensive because im not married and im only 19 :P