motor swap help!!!

[b18c1gsr]

I'm buying a 95 civic coupe and need help deciding a motor.

A: b18b1 turbo
B: b16a1 2nd gen, turbo.
C: b18c5 fully built all motor.

[dixond]

Honestly dude, I just think you should stick to getting your prelude back in good running condition. Once you get a reliable dd'er then start having some fun on the side w/ a SMALL project.
Small project /= motor swap (read: does not equal)
Start small first or you'll be in over your head (trust me...)
Make sure you know how to pull a STOCK motor and put it back in before swapping to a new motor completely.
Pot is calling kettle black here, but in your case, I would start out small.
/flamesuiton

[b18c1gsr]

the lude is going to be the dd. and too the lude needs a lot of work. (core support, tranny ect.)

[Veedubtrek]

the lude is going to be the dd. and too the lude needs a lot of work. (core support, tranny ect.)

I don't even know if that was in English, but I think you said the prelude is going to be your dd AND it still needs a lot of work. If that's correct, all you did was restate what dixond just said:

"I just think you should stick to getting your prelude back in good running condition. Once you get a reliable dd'er then start having some fun on the side w/ a SMALL project."

So, just in case you can't read, the whole point of his statement was to tell you to get the prelude in good running condition so you can use it as your dd... AND THEN get a small project.

But hey, what do I know, right?

[dixond]

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http://www.peterschaaf.com/schickele/schickelemeetspdq01/highfive.jpg

/backontopic

Get the lude in good running condition before you even THINK of putting money into the civic.

[CPMaverick]

Definitely go fully built, those are the best

[Jess]

Definitely go fully built, those are the best
yeah but only when used in conjunction with fully built adjustable vacuum advance timing gears (stage III or better).

[Byrd]

Shit, i say live and learn


You'll learn 3204630756874 times more if you try than if you don't. I say get the DD in RELIABLE condition and don't rag on her, then go turbo civic.

Couldnt tell you what motor though..they are all gay :happyFU:

[VR4Rob]

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[Pegasus_Red]

IMO

all the motors in the poll < Jdm tyte http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20050519120804/www.peteducation.com/images/articles/19394gerbil_wheellg.jpg

youll get better mpg, hp, and torque at the wheels. It costs less to operate and maintain and if it dies the swap will take you less then five minutes. This also includes a tranny which was engineered to hold up to the extreme increase in horsepower. These are all the rage on the west coast and was supprised no one suggested it.

Hope this helps :thumbsup:

[gangsta coupe]

Fuck the civic, buy a real car...

[xamraci]

Fuck the civic, buy a real car...


true

[b18b1ls]

boost=trouble and alot of money.(trust me i know)
stay N/A

why ask everyone on here on what to do when you won't listen to what they have to say.:confused:

[Veedubtrek]

why ask everyone on here on what to do when you won't listen to what they have to say.:confused:

:rolllaugh

[Jess]

boost=trouble and alot of money.

My last boost project cost $500 and I drove it daily for almost a year without a single problem, then sold it. :confused:

What does a complete B18c swap cost again? :2xFU:

[Pegasus_Red]

My last boost project cost $500 and I drove it daily for almost a year without a single problem, then sold it. :confused:

Jess, I would consider you to be smarter and more mature than this guy so what applies to you cant apply to b18.
Even if he does boost it hes going to rip the shit out of it and that tranny wont last five seconds. Then he will bitch and complain about it and be like a lost puppy going "what did I do wrong" :emo:

/thread

[Grider]

My last boost project cost $500 and I drove it daily for almost a year without a single problem, then sold it. :confused:

What does a complete B18c swap cost again? :2xFU:

You do not count; your brain is functional.

[AadosX]

They will all be fun, just decided if you want NA or turbo first. And I would probably go with the LS B18 if I was going to turbo.

[b18c1gsr]

why ask everyone on here on what to do when you won't listen to what they have to say.:confused:

whatever daniel. at least i'm making my car the way it is instead of buying one already fixed up.

[b18c1gsr]

I don't even know if that was in English, but I think you said the prelude is going to be your dd AND it still needs a lot of work. If that's correct, all you did was restate what dixond just said:



So, just in case you can't read, the whole point of his statement was to tell you to get the prelude in good running condition so you can use it as your dd... AND THEN get a small project.

But hey, what do I know, right?


yeah i just misunderstood what dixond said.

[ActiveAero]

Since I'm sure all you really care about is speed go with the 2nd gen B16 + boost.

1. They make a lot of power with very little boost.

2. They make that power without making a ton of torque which is actually a GOOD thing in a light FWD car. B18B's make near matching torque numbers which does nothing but blow the tires of the car in the lower gears once you reach any decent power levels. B16's allow you to make tons of power AND get it to the ground.

3. They have stronger rods than B18B's. 300whp on a B18B is kinda iffy territory, 300whp on a 2nd gen B16 is the norm.

4. A "fully built" B18C5 will cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than a stock B16 with a turbo and is far more time consuming.

[b18c1gsr]

Since I'm sure all you really care about is speed go with the 2nd gen B16 + boost.

1. They make a lot of power with very little boost.

2. They make that power without making a ton of torque which is actually a GOOD thing in a light FWD car. B18B's make near matching torque numbers which does nothing but blow the tires of the car in the lower gears once you reach any decent power levels. B16's allow you to make tons of power AND get it to the ground.

3. They have stronger rods than B18B's. 300whp on a B18B is kinda iffy territory, 300whp on a 2nd gen B16 is the norm.

4. A "fully built" B18C5 will cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than a stock B16 with a turbo and is far more time consuming.


and with that said i guess i have no choice. b16 2nd gen it is.

appreciate it.

[funinthecav3]

Since I'm sure all you really care about is speed go with the 2nd gen B16 + boost.

1. They make a lot of power with very little boost.

2. They make that power without making a ton of torque which is actually a GOOD thing in a light FWD car. B18B's make near matching torque numbers which does nothing but blow the tires of the car in the lower gears once you reach any decent power levels. B16's allow you to make tons of power AND get it to the ground.

3. They have stronger rods than B18B's. 300whp on a B18B is kinda iffy territory, 300whp on a 2nd gen B16 is the norm.

4. A "fully built" B18C5 will cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than a stock B16 with a turbo and is far more time consuming.

Could not have said it any better myself. Well done.

[b18c1gsr]

see i was thinking of b16 also but then again with boost will i have valve overlap?

[AUbimmer]

and with that said i guess i have no choice. b16 2nd gen it is.

appreciate it.

I'm not saying ActiveAero is wrong at all and I know little to nothing about the Honda engines so I can't say anything on the subject. But I think its dumb for you to base your engine decision on 3 paragraphs you read from one person online. But for all you know it could be some random guy pulling figures out of his ass (not saying you are ActiveAero, just a what if). All of that propably is true, but maybe you should do a little more research on your own. Either way, I can't wait till you fuck up whatever you do so we can all get a good laugh out of it.

[AccoRdINlySlo]

Not trying to doubt you or anything but if you can barly fix the Lude, how the hell do you have $$ to another car and then get a motor and then turbo it??

I've been nice till now but think about what you are talking about and plan on doing? I dont see the motor and turbo in the future...maybe the civic and then you will realize how much everything is going to cost and then be like fuk this....so I'm going ahead and raise it...:bs:

[adam p]

Just ban. Please.

[gangsta coupe]

see i was thinking of b16 also but then again with boost will i have valve overlap?

Quote of the month...... lawlz

[Pegasus_Red]

you dont need to worry about valve overlap, it actually helps performance and will make you faster. The more overlap you have the faster your turbo will spool and it will make it quicker off the line.

[ActiveAero]

see i was thinking of b16 also but then again with boost will i have valve overlap?

Oh goodness.

Hint: Turbo's don't control your cam gears.

I think you meant to say "do turbo's work well on motors that are set up stock with a decent amount of valve overlap?". At least I hope so.

Bottom line: You don't need to turbo shit for a very long time. Reading is your friend.

[funinthecav3]

Well he has to learn one way or another. If he doesnt want to read then hopefully a blown engine will open his eyes.

[Nstig8r]

4. A "fully built" B18C5 will cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than a stock B16 with a turbo and is far more time consuming.

Could not agree more... I have over $10K in my Integra engine, and it is still sitting in my garage with a spun rod bearing. A "fully built" B18CX is no longer reliable as a daily driver.

[xamraci]

Could not agree more... I have over $10K in my Integra engine, and it is still sitting in my garage with a spun rod bearing. A "fully built" B18CX is no longer reliable as a daily driver.

TOM speaks da TRUFF!

SPEND 10k and swap a K in there...and do it yourself...so I can watch you fail every step of the way...or would you just give up half way like you did high school?

[b18c1gsr]

i got a new job working at benteler automotive inspecting chassis welds for bmw and mercedes benz. i make $14/hr at 18 y.o. and with no education i think you gotta give me that. thats how i'm getting the money to do the things i've always wanted to do.

i appreciate all the advice. and btw i have read and thats why i chose the b16 because it has more hp stock than the b18ls and the b18c5 cost too damn much and would probably be a lot of trouble.

[Pegasus_Red]

i got a new job working at benteler automotive inspecting chassis welds for bmw and mercedes benz. i make $14/hr at 18 y.o. and with no education i think you gotta give me that.


In that case, Benteler has lost my business for life. If you cant even post, research, learn about cars what in the fuck are you doing inspecting welds?

[Grider]

i got a new job working at benteler automotive inspecting chassis welds for bmw and mercedes benz. i make $14/hr at 18 y.o. and with no education i think you gotta give me that. thats how i'm getting the money to do the things i've always wanted to do.

I'm not giving props to anybody who does not have the common sense to go through and complete the monetarily free education that society provided for them.

You might think you have money, but we all will still know you are at the best ignorant and at the worst stupid. Make sure you kiss our asses because we will be your bosses for the rest of your life.

[adam p]

I'm not giving props to anybody who does not have the common sense to go through and complete the monetarily free education that society provided for them.

Absolute quote for truth. And $14 an hour may seem like alot now...but that's the best you will ever do, for the rest of your life. Dude, get in school. Everyone else here will eventually be making $50/hr as a professional, and be secure enough to provide for OTHER PEOPLE besides themselves.

18 is not the time to "fulfill your dreams" and build a honda civic...it's the time to grab some security and some education for yourself. Stop wasting time!

...You wanted our advice *shrug*

[b18c1gsr]

i'm about to go to southern union and get my g.e.d. and then major in business management.

[AUbimmer]

i'm about to go to southern union and get my g.e.d. and then major in business management.
then save your money for school and don't spend it on some pos

[CPMaverick]

with no education i think you gotta give me that.

I'll give you the fact that you have no education... definitely.

[xamraci]

then save your money for school and don't spend it on some pos

damn, I can agree with this statement

[xamraci]

boost=trouble and alot of money.(trust me i know)
stay N/A

why ask everyone on here on what to do when you won't listen to what they have to say.:confused:
I didnt even see this comment...

haha...well played

[VR4Rob]

Either way, here is a GREAT site to get some much needed parts from:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=index

[b18c1gsr]

found this on passwordjdm.com

B16A Gen2 OBD1 Motor Swap (LSD), 1595cc, DOHC VTEC, 170 whp @ 7600 rpm, Redline: 8200. Requires Professional Installation.

Hydraulic transmission, LSD, Complete Swap, Includes motor, tranny, clutch/flywheel, axles, ecu, shift linkage, all attached components, starter, alternator, sensor, t.body, distributor. Standard startup warranty applies

for $2,899.00 + 325 for shipping.

good deal?

[jsta240]

... Requires Professional Installation....
think again or find someone that is a professional

[b18c1gsr]

think again or find someone that is a professional


i already have someone that is doing the swap!

[jsta240]

if you insist ive never been through this sort of thing

[funinthecav3]

Personally I think its a pretty good deal b/c you get the LSD tranny and an almost complete swap.

[xamraci]

I can find it cheaper...mainly because I know who to get it from...

you are getting ravaged on shipping...and you will still need a new...

Oil PUmp, Water Pump, Timing Belt, Clutch, Flywheel or Atleast Resurface, plugs, and wires...

so...around 37-3900 if you want a reliable car that doesnt suck as much as you do

[Crankee]

You need to look around the area for a JDM engine.

Call this place. Its were I got mine.

Best Japanese Engines
Marrieta Ga
(770)-426-5755

Plus you pay no tax if you live in AL

[Pegasus_Red]

You need to look around the area for a JDM engine.

Call this place. Its were I got mine.

Best Japanese Engines
Marrieta Ga
(770)-426-5755

Plus you pay no tax if you live in AL

Intro thread please sir ;)

[b18c1gsr]

You need to look around the area for a JDM engine.

Call this place. Its were I got mine.

Best Japanese Engines
Marrieta Ga
(770)-426-5755

Plus you pay no tax if you live in AL


thanks dude.

i wonder if foreign automotive has any b16's :shrugs:
all i need is someone who knows how to do the electrical work. so if any of you know how it would be greatly appreciated. i already have a shop to do the swap and all the necessary tools and equipment.

[b18c1gsr]

http://www.japanmotorimport.com/JDM_engine/Honda/102/JDM%20B16A%20G2%20LSD_92-95

shipping is like $225
is that cheap?

also found this!!
http://www.jdmracingmotors.com/index.php?area=motors&motor_id=21
$180 shipping

http://www.rimsandthings.com/jdm-engine-honda-b16a2.htm
they are in south carolina.


http://www.jdmenginescorp.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_2&products_id=39
free shipping!!!!

[xamraci]

you still havent found the two good sites to get engines from...I guess I will let you keep searching....


Since you will need around 4k to get the engine running in your car...SAFELY I suggest you think about it...and since you are PAYING someone to do it...expect to spend around 5k total...for about 135whp:D

[IronMonkey]

BUY my skyline powered drift machine....convertible too....you know you want it...much cooler than a civic.

[xamraci]

BUY my skyline powered drift machine....convertible too....you know you want it...much cooler than a civic.


Shut it...he doesnt need anything worth while...he needs another piece of shit...atleast until he gets a clue

[IronMonkey]

At this point, I just need money to pay for my long block, I could care less if he wrap it around a tree trying to drift.

Hey B18C1GSR, you know there are other place that sell engines that doesnt start with JDM or Japanese right? Hahaha

[xamraci]

At this point, I just need money to pay for my long block, I could care less if he wrap it around a tree trying to drift.

Hey B18C1GSR, you know there are other place that sell engines that doesnt start with JDM or Japanese right? Hahaha

hahahahahahahaha


The two I am talking about dont start with EITHER:O

it aint tyte unless its JDM or JAPENSE....or as long as it says it in the NAME:3pjerk:

[adam p]

Why does it have to be a JDM motor? I don't understand - is there some super duper JDM B16 we didn't get? I thought the most powerful B16 was in the USDM Civic Si, save the Civic Type R motor which he can't afford...

[Jess]

Why does it have to be a JDM motor?

Do a little math.

JDM = JDM
USDM <> JDM
therefore JDM > USDM

[b18b1ls]

Hint: Turbo's don't control your cam gears.

Bottom line: You don't need to turbo shit for a very long time. Reading is your friend.

just because he needs to read it again.

I didnt even see this comment...

haha...well played
:D

[Sole Maverick]

Do a little math.

JDM = JDM
USDM <> JDM
therefore JDM > USDM

QFT

[xamraci]

Why does it have to be a JDM motor? I don't understand - is there some super duper JDM B16 we didn't get? I thought the most powerful B16 was in the USDM Civic Si, save the Civic Type R motor which he can't afford...

Most Powerful B16s were B16B from the EK9 CTR and the B16A from the XSI integra, both of them were JDM

also, the only option for a USDM B16 for OBD-1 is the Del Sol, likely to get a high milage POS

granted...yes you still suck and dont deserve my knowledge or advice

[b18c1gsr]

http://www.japandomesticmotor.com/engine_details.php?EngineID=18

http://www.nagasakijdmmotors.com/01honda/B16A2.html

[Veedubtrek]

http://www.japandomesticmotor.com/engine_details.php?EngineID=18

http://www.nagasakijdmmotors.com/01honda/B16A2.html

Instead of acting like you know everything, when in reality you just keep googling "cheap b16 JDM tyte" you probably could have started with politely asking a couple guys on here for some good websites to go to do the following:
a) research on engine swapping
b) research on each individual engine
c) more research

and once you've done that, then maybe you could ask for some good websites to buy complete swaps from... but if you did all of the research in a, b, and c you'd probably have stumbled across said websites.