been a while, got some news though

[psychojerm]

It's been along time since I've posted on this board, so long I forgot my user name and couldn't get it to give me my password or anything.

This is Jeremy by the way. Here's what's going on. My piston rings are shot. I've been running too rich for too long and pushed fuel past the rings and saturated them. So I'm getting a completely built block. It should all be done by spring break. So anyone who's going to Daytona you will see me there, and I'll be in Battle of the Imports March 30 in Orlando.

I was told today that running on the built block I'll be putting over 300hp to the wheels. Not sure how much boost yet though. Also to go along with it is a stand alone engine management setup. So no more fuel problems.

Not gonna be too bad for a car with stock 90-95hp at the wheels.

[1.8t]

Hehe, awesome man.....beetle powah!

[linuxman51]

fuel doesn't burn rings up, time to get out the books and read up on what you're doing ;)

A standalone is a step in the right direction, don't go too lean or things will get nasty fast.

Yea, assuming things go together as planned, 300 isnt bad at the wheels, but you're not doing it with a stock engine, so that detracts from it a little... that would be like me dropping a bb 462 in the volvo and saying "500 rwtq isnt bad for a car that started out with 150" :)

good luck with all that, i look forward to seeing the finished product :)

[psychojerm]

Actually...fuel does eat up rings. but thanks for the sarcasm. If you are running rich enough and fuel pushes past the rings enough to saturate them they will deteriorate very quickly. While fuel may not be the reason they finally go out it is the primary cause of deterioration. It happens all the time. Happened to my friend's turbo'd 240 last year. he turned up the boost and added too much fuel, once the rings became saturated they became mis-shapen which caused the pistons to vibrate in the cylinder itself and the ringlands cracked. So you are right, the fuel itself doesn't burn up the rings, but it is the cause of other problems.

And I'm still going to be running the same block, so it isnt anything like doing an engine swap. It's still gonna be the stock VW 2.0 block with forged internals. While it may be different, it still isn't like dropping a new engine in it.

[ActiveAero]

Didn't you run a 14.2@92mph in your old setup? Beetle ownz jOo in 60' times.

[psychojerm]

yeah basically. it was a 14.19 at 91 as a stage 1 at 7psi. i got into the 13's running 15psi over christmas. i was always running on street tires though so i never could get it to hook up right off the line. that's the last time it was at the track though. after that there was chip issues and misfires and all that bs and now it's just a big bunch of blowby. i figure i won't make it back to the track before Battle though because it's gonna be real close with getting everything done in time for spring break. it's gonna be difficult doing a shake down run on the new engine setup at a competition like that. I'm hoping that they have some practice run time built in somewhere. I'm suppose to have some slicks for it though, so that's cool.

[ActiveAero]

yeah basically. it was a 14.19 at 91 as a stage 1 at 7psi. i got into the 13's running 15psi over christmas. i was always running on street tires though so i never could get it to hook up right off the line.

Uh sorry cheiftain but you didn't run a 14.1 with a trap speed of 91mph. Low 14's takes at least mid ninety mph trap speeds and thats if you have awesome traction (such as AWD). Saying that you couldn't hook up right makes your story even worse. Sorry but you just owned yourself on that one. By the way what was your 60' time just out of curiosity?

[maxpsi]

Sup Jeremy!! I agree with him. Those traps are more like low 15 sec passes. Do ya gotta timeslip?? I can't wait to see the finished product. Good luck! Maybe I will stop by sometime when I see your car outside the shop.

[WiggiE]

yeah basically. it was a 14.19 at 91 as a stage 1 at 7psi. i got into the 13's running 15psi over christmas. i was always running on street tires though so i never could get it to hook up right off the line.

Uh sorry cheiftain but you didn't run a 14.1 with a trap speed of 91mph. Low 14's takes at least mid ninety mph trap speeds and thats if you have awesome traction (such as AWD). Saying that you couldn't hook up right makes your story even worse. Sorry but you just owned yourself on that one. By the way what was your 60' time just out of curiosity?

:owned: :woo: :woo:

Brock is right. There is no way you are running a freaking 14.1 at 91mph.


So, two blown motors now, and you still haven't learned anything??? Was the first one was caused by running too rich also?

[psychojerm]

that's fine. i dont really care if you guys believe me or not. I thought it was kind of odd for you to be pulling out numbers like that out of nowhere but i thought that maybe i had posted some times on here before or something. It is fully possible to run those numbers. Over christmas my best 60' was a 2.2. actually i do have timeslips, but not from way back last april or may.

let me reiterate, sorry for not being detailed. I haven't had a problem launching. that's just a matter of playing with the clutch. i have the shortest gears in the world. Especially first. My strongest gear is second or third, depending on the situation. it's second when leaving from a stop but third when already moving. having said that when you shift into second not far from the 60' line to me that can still be called off the line. so getting a decent launch, but spinning through second, the gear where i get the best accelleration, and then hooking back up and continuing on, you mean to tell me that a 14.2@91 isn't possible? whatever. I've also run a 14.1@105, how do you feel about that? you going to tell me that's too high of a trap for a 14.1 now? should i explain that one too?

[psychojerm]

and no the first one wasn't from running too rich, the first one was from nitrous and being stupid with it. It isnt a matter of me learning anything. It was expected to happen. I've been running 15psi, or trying to, on a completely stock block with stock compression for a too long. It just started running funny last weekend and I had to figure out what was wrong with it and when i pulled off the oil breather line it was pumping out white smoke. I'm still driving it, just very carefully.

I had almost forgotten why I quit coming up to the intramural fields though. most of you guys are horrible. the only thing you know how to do is talk shit. There's a reason that I have sponsors. I don't see many of you with sponsors. There's a reason that I can blow my engine and have a built one shipped to me within a few weeks and pay next to nothing for it. But you people don't see it that way. I swear to God it's only in Alabama where people are as close minded as this.

[Frosty_DUB]

you could run a 91 trap if you put on the brakes before you go through the lights. I ran a 15.3 at 89 best so far. How is it possible to run over 1 second faster and only have a 2mph increase in trapspeed? If i saw you run that with my own eyes i would believe you. Where are you when we all go to montgomery all the time?

Yes i could be sponsored too, but that would mean my parents would have to give me lots of money to put into my car to make it nice, then I could find sponsors. Thats how it works. I cant start with a shitty hatch and then ask SKunk2 for some free cams because I want to be sponsored.

15psi on a stock motor, the only cars that can do that and not blow are either japanese or turbo from the factory.

[1.8t]

Rest assured Clint, any engine not built for boost will fail within 25k miles running 15psi. I have no facts, but if the car is driven remotely hard, meaning they achieve full boost at least once everytime they drive it....I bet I will be pretty damn close :wink:

[linuxman51]

Thats not true at all, there are plenty of people running boosted engines that go for far more than 25,000 miles. Just because no one you know has done it doesnt mean it doesnt happen (and btw, sam was on up there when his blew.. 2 years of nothing but abuse).

As for the fuel and the rings, you're still wrong.. what you're refering to is known as "washing down the walls" and what really happens is the rings stop sealing, compression drops (altho on a boosted engine its not as noticeable). If what you were saying is true, then all those engines (like clint's.... he runs obscenely rich) would be junk. Sorry, I don't buy it. I've seen too many counter cases. What is more likely to have happened in your case is you burned the ring lands running 15psi on what sounds like a poorly tuned car. Not an attack on you or your abilities, but what you've described so far sounds sketchy at best.

Sams nissan ran around for a year running richer than pig shit with the 12:1 fmu.. the car wasnt nearly as fast as it should have been, but it suffered no ill consequences from it.

"I've been running 15psi, or trying to for too long on a stock bottom end with stock compression". There again I have to point to tuning. You blast us for having closed minds, when everything you've been describing smells like bullshit ("haha.. i ran a 14.2 at 92. hahah shut the fuck up and spare us the crap). It sounds like you far and away exceeded the capacities of your setup, knew it all along, and yet still kept trying. I'd say you're an idiot.

As for the sponsors.. good for you. No one really gives a goddamn, but good for you. And what exactly is it they're sponsoring you for? queerest looking car of the year? perhaps the most overrated car of the year?

Your whole "I'm getting a built bottom end because I'm a baddass" doesn't mean shit if you can't keep it together.. all the forged internals of the world can't overcome poor tuning.. just because something has the capability to do something doesnt mean it will.. you've fallen into the old benchracing trap.

Ignorance asside I still wish you the best of luck, sounds like you'll need it, and do bear in mind, if you keep fucking your shit up you won't have sponsors and they won't be sending you short block after short block.

[psychojerm]

well if you dont believe how much boost i am running I'll be more than happy to meet up with you today and show you. it'll still boost. the car just runs like shit.

if you even begin to think that my parents have paid for anything on my car then you've lost your mind. And having a nice car is not what sponsoring is about.

i never go to the track with you guys because i never know you are going.

For those that don't understand that cars run different kinds of times depending on how they accellerate and how the run went then do a search online. here's one for you.

14.2@92 Scott Loercher.10psi GReddy (open rear) Nitto street tires, 'stock' car minus floor mats

that came from this website, and look, one right beneath him has the same time at 103 i believe.

http://www.quithel.co.uk/zz_More_power.htm

[Catchme]

Maybe he slammed on the brakes about 60ft before the line. Maybe he stopped the car and then started again and only had time to run a 91. Maybe he was runnin so rich that when he got mid track he hit the lean button(like the one jeff gordon has) and got instantaneously madfizzast. Maybe um, uhhh, um. How the F!@# did you run a 14.1 @ 105. Man im running rich i gots fuels soak. man that sounds bad. SATURATED RINGS? What? are they cardboard? PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE KIDDING AROUND! Start running lean then give me a call. You know what drives me insane and i mean IN MUTHA FREEKIN SANE? When people have no clue what they are talking about yet continue to keep talking(shhhhhh just be quiet). When im hangin around a bunch of doctors im not like well, yeah, it must be his hypothygloidisalizm. Ever heard the saying, an idiot can sit amongst the elders as long as he keeps his mouth shut? While im trying to be funny, here is another example. When im around a bunch of engineers im not like well,yeah, the google himer obviously got sucked into the choperkatben.

[linuxman51]

few minor things:
1)I never said you didnt run 15psi
2)I never said or implyed or thought your parents had anything to do with your car. Some people have generous parents, I do not(when it comes to my car) and therefore don't assume anything.
3)Just because its on the internet doesnt make it true, I still stand by my BS flag on the 14.2 at 91-92.

Short gear ratios do not make for fast times with low speeds, sorry. I've been there and done that, got the shirt and the broken spider gears.

And just so you know.. I GAINED $2000 when I turbo charged my car, so you can tell your sponsors that 8)

[psychojerm]

okay first off, the only comments I've made that were to you were the first one. And if you think you know everything then that's fine, but what I'm saying is true. Fuel pushing past the rings opens a gap. The word saturation in this case does not mean soaked as it does with a sponge. I wouldn't even begin to call yourself an elder. And if you think I'm new to this game then you're wrong. And it's real funny that you expect me to car because you don't know what I'm talking about when I've had this same conversation with plenty of professionals in depth. they certainly don't have the attitude that you do. But that's right, you are the elder.

I ran a 14.1 at 105 by not hooking up at all in first or the first half of second. screwed up totally, but got it back in second and took off. i don't know if any of you know the guy around here that has a white ex civic with a turbo b16 in it but he ran a 14.1 at 107 i'm pretty sure. I've forgotten his name at the moment.

And just because I have had some problems lately doesn't mean that I was always running rich. I've gone from lean to rich about 3 times. There were plenty of times when it was running great.

i never said short gears make for those times. basically what it comes down to is think whatever it is that you want. that's fine. it isnt my concern what you think. i couldn't honestly care less. I'll be more than happy to come to the track with you guys and show you some times in person. that's no problem. you just have to wait until after spring break, because I really don't feel like having to pay a tow truck to tow me back to Auburn.

[psychojerm]

oh and clint, i heard that you met some of my friends at the honda-tech meet. Ben Howard and the guy. That's cool. those are some of my best friends back home.

[Frosty_DUB]

Yea those guys are cool.

The guy stood on top of his car, mooned everyone, slipped on his windshield, slammed on the hood, and broke his finger, getting it caught on the wiper. hehe

IM not really bashing about parents giving you stuff to put on the car, I guess you just have a good job.
as for scott running a 14.1 at 105 or whatever, i think that is possible. I mean it IS a turbo b16.

[maxpsi]

How the F!@# did you run a 14.1 @ 105.

I ran 2 back to back 14.2 @ over 105mph. This is possible when you have traction problems. I have timeslips if you need proof.

Frosty_SPL - "as for scott running a 14.1 at 105 or whatever, i think that is possible. I mean it IS a turbo b16." ==> see?

[Catchme]

Didnt call myself an elder, was a saying. "Professionals"? lets not throw the term around loosely here. Same with" in DEPTH". The only gap is in your knowlege.As far as new to the game didnt say you were. Ive known a bunch of guys that have played baseball there whole life but they still suck. New means shiznital bing bang. You may have run a 14.1 @ 91 but it sure as heck wasnt with you driving the car to the limits all the way through the line. Well maybe it was and you bent a pushrod. Because you didnt by chrome moly hardened pushrods from manley. (something happened for you to run that time).

I stand firm beside the cardboard rings.

Why do people continously bring up peoples parents. Man you a mammas boy. She bought you that car. You are spoiled etc. etc. That gets to be a really overused excuse for not feeling loved or just being jealous. Envy kills people. I read it in the medical journal.

Ahh traction.
undisclosed terms.
Well, yeah, its a drift machine.
Factory Five will take on any company in the world.
Pushrods are more economical
Dawgs are telepathic.
If it doesnt say Type R. You dont want it.
Headrest
exhaust bushings

[linuxman51]

okay first off, the only comments I've made that were to you were the first one. And if you think you know everything then that's fine, but what I'm saying is true. Fuel pushing past the rings opens a gap. The word saturation in this case does not mean soaked as it does with a sponge. I wouldn't even begin to call yourself an elder. And if you think I'm new to this game then you're wrong. And it's real funny that you expect me to car because you don't know what I'm talking about when I've had this same conversation with plenty of professionals in depth. they certainly don't have the attitude that you do. But that's right, you are the elder.

And just because I have had some problems lately doesn't mean that I was always running rich. I've gone from lean to rich about 3 times. There were plenty of times when it was running great.

i never said short gears make for those times. basically what it comes down to is think whatever it is that you want. that's fine. it isnt my concern what you think. i couldn't honestly care less. I'll be more than happy to come to the track with you guys and show you some times in person. that's no problem. you just have to wait until after spring break, because I really don't feel like having to pay a tow truck to tow me back to Auburn.

Thanks, I did call a professional after I posted that, and he said the exact same thing I did... it washes the oil off the rings, the rings stop sealing, and compression is lost. Its not an irreversable problem.. you correct the rich condition by some means, put oil down the spark plug holes and go about your merry way.. permanent damage isn't done. Further more, I went on to explain the scenario top to bottom, the way you had it in the original post, and his comment was that you burned a piston. Try as you might, you don't (and neither do I) have anywhere near the kind of experience he has in the automotive industry.

What you described when you pulled of the crankcase vent tube sounds a lot more like ring lands than it does rings, and again, it has little to do with the car running rich and more to do with the loose nut behind the wheel.

I stated before that it sounds like your problems stem from poor tuning and even poorer decision making... And now you're changing your story so I know you're full of it...

"I ran so rich for so long i saturated the rings" and now its "I went from lean to rich to lean to rich"

And lastly, the 14.2 @ 105 is far more believeable than the 14.2 @ 92, but I'm having a hard time believing that in light of other comments you've made.

At any rate, I'm still willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt and look forward to seeing the latest itteration of the bug.

[Catchme]

I know its possibe to lose traction and run high traps with high times. I was tryin to milk all the error juice and I ended up making one. whoopsadaisy.

[maxpsi]

coo coo :woo: :woo: :woo:

[psychojerm]

no i am not trying to say that going form rich to lean to rich caused the problem at all. I was saying that it wasn't ALWAYS running rich. the only times that I was able to get it on the track was when it wasn't running too rich.

Yes what that guy told you is true, and I'm sure the ringlands are gone as well. I'm sure it is an irreversible problem but I didn't do anything to reverse it. As I've indirectly stated, I haven't taken the engine apart at all, so I'm not POSITIVE what's going on. I do know that for a long time I've been running so rich that under boost too much fuel was being dumped and it would continually misfire until i let off. Scott can attest to that as he has ridden with me in my car.

How it finally gave out was after I raced some kid in a crx on shug jordan. I don't know who it was but I've talked to Chappy about him. Soon after that it started running really wierd so I inspected it and found the problem.

Now as far as you guys telling me how I made all these mistakes and it was all my fault you are absolutely correct. But I wasn't trying to make anything last. The car was not properly tuned. You are right. But calling me a loose nut? I don't think so. Fact is that I just needed a reason to build the block. So when you know it's going to happen it really isnt a mistake now is it. You can all try and tell me I don't know this and I don't know that but fact is you know nothing about my car, what I've done, or what I will do. You also know nothing about me or what I know.

[1 Bad 68]

I'm not reading through all this garbage, just wanted to say too much fuel in the cylinder over a period of time will make rings go bad. That is all, have a nice day :o

[linuxman51]

fuck it. Do it, report back with your findings and we'll take it from there. Good luck and happy hunting 8)

[AccoRdINlySlo]

Well I don't know about all of this timeslip 1/4 time B/S. But anyways hope you get the thing running. So do you plan on bring the Bug down the Battle??I wanna go but thats a lil too far for me.
Anyways with the timeslip thing, I'm not really sure but man if you say u got timeslips and all, thats koo, don't know much bout VW's and all but u might have. As for Scott, buddy I don't know what to say??? :roll: Its really hard to believe. Come on now Frosty, you out of all ppl should know just b/c its a turbo B16 doesn't mean that much(no offense). Frank ran a 13.6@106 and then on his factories he ran a 14.0@104 I think with a 2.2 60ft. And yes we do have timeslips and video of all these runs. Look I may be wrong but kinda hard to believe when Frank was spinning the all through 1st,2nd, and part of 3rd and only hit the 14.0 with the 2.2 60ft. Well Frank will post later on to back this up.

[ActiveAero]

I don't care if you care what we think or not. You didn't run a 14.2@92mph with a 2.2 60'. The first reason is that a 2.2 60' with a car that only has enough power to trap 92mph isn't even close to running mid-low 14's. Secondly if for some reason you couldn't drive the car hence its crappy trap speed you definitely wouldn't be running low 14's either. The only way for this to happen is for you to get off the line then the car fire through second and third gear (and I mean absolutely explode with acceleration) then COMPELETLY DIE on what ever gear you finish the quarter in.

Now the thing about sponorships really pissed me off. Exactly who are you sponsored by? Apparently you are not sponsored for being able to drive because by your times you can't? How many drag racing events have you won? How many autocross or road course events? Have you even been to any of those? I'm guessing you got a sponorship because you decided to turbo the crappy ass 2.0liter engine and not many people have done it. So the company slaps a sticker on your car and wants you to show the car off in some shows and the occasional drag event. Am I anywhere close with this one?

You don't come out because we talk shit? You decided what autocross event and I'll be there. If you can even come within 2 seconds of me I'll pay your entry fee. Heck what is your best 1/4mi ET. I bet my slow unsponsored NA 1.8liter teg could come close if not out right beat you there too. Don't jump on here expecting us to swallow this kinda of pre-school "I'm cool because my gay ass girly looking beetle is sponsored".

< is glad he doesn't drive a car that resembles a blue M&M.

[WiggiE]

Well I don't know about all of this timeslip 1/4 time B/S. But anyways hope you get the thing running. So do you plan on bring the Bug down the Battle??I wanna go but thats a lil too far for me.
Anyways with the timeslip thing, I'm not really sure but man if you say u got timeslips and all, thats koo, don't know much bout VW's and all but u might have. As for Scott, buddy I don't know what to say??? :roll: Its really hard to believe. Come on now Frosty, you out of all ppl should know just b/c its a turbo B16 doesn't mean that much(no offense). Frank ran a 13.6@106 and then on his factories he ran a 14.0@104 I think with a 2.2 60ft. And yes we do have timeslips and video of all these runs. Look I may be wrong but kinda hard to believe when Frank was spinning the all through 1st,2nd, and part of 3rd and only hit the 14.0 with the 2.2 60ft. Well Frank will post later on to back this up.

Steven, you are getting the wrong idea. Lets clear this all up.
If he had run a 14.2 it wouldn't be at 92 it would be higher. 92mph is good for about a high 14. Frank's times are fine, they show lack of traction and hella top end. It's not the specific times, it's the ET and trap that don't match.

Jeremy, if you had run a "14.1@105", why didn't you post that??? It's obviously a better time and representation of your car. You keep changing your story and your time, so once again :bs: It would impress us more if you just had a stock bettle that you kept nice and clean. But this crap about half-assing your setup and lying about your car will get you no where with us. We aren't the riceboys you see out at SCAR. The people that get on this board actually know their head from their ass and aren't afraid to call BS on you.

[A418t81]

I personally don't care if you lowered your ET, but what I do care about is the fact that you say you've gone 105 in the 1/4th.
The reasons this didn't happen: this is all based on the forced induction (read, 2.0 turbo) forums on vwvortex and others which I read with regularity.

1. Even with your uprated 310cc injectors, you are not physically going to be able to support making even NEAR the power necessary to pull that off. STage 3 1.8T Beetles run 105 in the quarter on pump gas. They have 260 whp or so. They also have 450cc injectors running at ~90% duty cycle. Your 310's are good for 240 crank hp tops.

2. @ 15 psi, even with proper fueling which you don't have, the 2.slow pistons, rods, and headgasket are going to say bye-bye VERY quickly. You don't have the older style 2.0 with forged internals and oil squirters. VW redesigned the 2.0 for 99 and you've got all the lightest (weak) and cheapest shizzle in yours. Also, the head on the 8v cars needs a fair amount of work at those power levels as well.

3. Even with your 2.0 liter displacement, you still have an inferior 8v head. Your car with a T3/t4e on it, properly setup, will be slower than a similar 1.8l car with the 5v head at the same boost pressures. Both ATP and Matrix have advertised their non-intercooled kits at roughly 180hp on 8 psi. Intercooling will cool the charge and lower the detonation threshold allowing you to run more boost, but not do a whole lot for timing as you have no intake air temp sensor.

4. Say, for instance, that you could actually make that much power on your setup.....you still have no way to put it to the ground. The 2.slow clutch lets go much sooner than the power that you are claiming to have.
Your axles are also punier along with a host of other things.

5. You came out with us that night that we were seeing how a lightly modded Prelude did against a bone stock AWP 1.8T Jetta. As I recall, everybody was slowly walking away from you. All the cars out there that evening, excluding justin, were low 15 second cars. If anything, you should have had the advantage on the hwy as you don't have to worry about traction. I know this was before your intercooler, but that isn't going to make nearly the difference.


And finally, I know you liked to play w/ the giggle juice and thats what blew your motor up last time. So before you try to take that route, I'll just say that there is no way in HELL a stock 2.0 can take 10 psi plus whatever shot you would put on top of that. They are excellent low boost motors, but you start adding anything over about 10lbs (excluding NOS) and you've got to get a new motor. Why not get a 1.8T and go stand alone with a big turbo......you don't have to build the motor and you are looking at 400 whp EASILY with the proper turbo?

Anyway, Jeremy, don't take this as a flame, because its not. I just want you to know that we all are not idiots here. The majority of us understand the physics and principles behind motors, forced induction, and drag racing. It just doesn't add up. If you want to clarify something, then do it.....but don't come back on here talking about how you ran 105 mph. If you do, I'll just have to link this thread over to the 2.0 turbo forum on vortex and see what they have to say about the matter...

[psychojerm]

okay, there's a lot to respond to.

First off, brock, I'm sponsored by ATP and Beetle Cup connection. The only one that matters for this is ATP. no there are plenty of people who have turboed 2.0 engines. So that isnt why I got sponsored. Also, if you will read correctly I never said that I had a 2.2 60' on that run. I said that my best 60' time over christmas was a 2.2. the run we are talking about here was a year ago. a freaking year ago. so lets just get past the bs about arguing what and how i ran a year ago and move on. I haven't won any drag race events and never claimed to have. I haven't been built for one until now and so starting march 30 that's what I'll be doing. the fact that you started this whole thing for no apparent reason pisses me off, so i don't feel too bad about you getting pissed about the sponsorship comment.

Second, I never was running nitrous with the turbo. from the last post I think you thought I was. I blew that engine a long time ago before I ever came to Auburn. I guess that people just heard about it.

That night that I came out you are right I was not running fast. that was before the intercooler, injectors, secondary fuel pump, with a chambered muffler in place of the car, and still running 6-7psi without proper tuning at that time. as you know i've had tuning issues throughout. it would be fine for a week but then something would happen and nothing would hold.

I have not been on a dyno, but with a g-tech it read out 242hp at the wheels. that's the ONLY time that I've had any real power readings and I don't even know how reliable those are.

okay, now, at 15psi on my motor, running stock compression, with a stock chip and an AFC to correct fueling, my actual power should have been more than that. And yes, everything would go out quickly as it did.

As far as the injector size and hp figures from what I've been told by ATP you are wrong. Those numbers are true for 1.8t's, but on a 2.0 even with the head being the way it is, the bigger bore and longer stroke help to push everything out and gain higher hp numbers with less boost and less fuel. becuse at 15psi with a -50%air flow correction across the board at high throttle my air/fuel ratios were still dropping to below a 10:1. that's when all the misfiring started.

As far as my clutch goes. you are absolutely right, and I've been expecting it to go for a long time. it slips, but it hasn't completely gone out. I have no idea why it's still working, but it's being changed out to a vr6 clutch and a stage 3/4 flywheel with the block.

Dont worry I don't mind your post at all, but as far as getting a 1.8t and going that route there's no way. Once this block is built and put in I'll have over 300whp and already be running a stand alone. I'm going to get the head work done and believe it or not you can get a 8v head ported to flow the exact same as the 5v head. It might take a little while, but I'll show you close to 400whp if not a little more out of an 8v.

[psychojerm]

hey in the midst of all this anyone looking for an apex-i safc? i've got one I don't need anymore and I'm looking to sell it.

[A418t81]

I know you weren't running a turbo and Nos, I was just covering that base just in case. Also, I wouldn't alway listen to what ATP has to tell you:
1. Their "software" is a joke
2. I've seen bad checksums on multiple ecu's = a bad burn
3. Their parts do seem to hold up, ONCE you get the right part from them
4. The stuff that they told you about your motor is quasi right. Just because you have 200cc more displacement does not mean that you will make more power. Your head simply will not have the flow in and out of the cylinder that a 5 valve or 4 valve head will have. The head is what makes the majority of power in motors. I figure that with a WICKED porting, a crazy lift cam, and a few other tricks, you coudl probably get close to the flow of a stock 1.8t head. Many 5 valve heads have been flow tested to the amazement of the bystanders. A stock AEB 1.8T 5V head out flowed a race-prepped ITR head by 5 cfm.

Anyway, I digress. As far as boost and fuel goes. Yes, a 2.0 will make more power on less boost....but here is the kicker. Its the same amount of air going into both motors. A 1.8l motor on, say 15psi, is moving the same amount of air as a 2.0l (4 or 5 valve head) on about 11-12. As for fuel, that is totally not correct. It takes 1 part of fuel for every 14.7 parts of air (or whatever A/F ratio you are trying to reach.) It will not take less fuel to make 250hp on a 2.0 than on a 1.8.....there will just be slightly higher boost pressure on the 1.8l car because it cannot "ingest" the air as quickly as the 2.0.


Either way, I still think you could build a wicked 1.8t. So far, the record is 470 whp on a 1.8t bone stock from the valve cover to the oil pan. He blew up by spraying too much giggle.

[psychojerm]

ok i agree with you on all except one part. TMTuning will make a 8v head flow the EXACT same amout as a 20v for 700 dollars. it really isnt that hard to do from what I understand.

[A418t81]

Well we'll just call it a truce now that we only disagree on one thing :lol:

[psychojerm]

that's cool.

[ActiveAero]

okay, there's a lot to respond to.

First off, brock, I'm sponsored by ATP and Beetle Cup connection. The only one that matters for this is ATP. no there are plenty of people who have turboed 2.0 engines. So that isnt why I got sponsored. Also, if you will read correctly I never said that I had a 2.2 60' on that run. I said that my best 60' time over christmas was a 2.2. the run we are talking about here was a year ago. a freaking year ago. so lets just get past the bs about arguing what and how i ran a year ago and move on. I haven't won any drag race events and never claimed to have. I haven't been built for one until now and so starting march 30 that's what I'll be doing. the fact that you started this whole thing for no apparent reason pisses me off, so i don't feel too bad about you getting pissed about the sponsorship comment.

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1. So why did you get sponsored?
2. Ok here is what pisses me off. You tell me that you didn't get a 2.2 60' on that run so what in the hell did you get then? Why in the world did you post up that you got a 2.2 60' if you were talking about another run when I specifically asked you "what was your 60'?"?
3. Get past the BS of arguing? I'm not arguing. I'm telling you that you didn't run that time with that trap.
4. Oh I'm not pissed because I know I can out drive you with my eyes closed even without mizzad sponsorships.
5. You've never been on a dyno before and you are talking about having a built engine? Must be nice having money and not knowing what the hell you are doing.
6. You are a liar.
7. You're car still looks like a M&M.

[psychojerm]

okay, brock, I'm done arguing with you. it's getting real old. yeah i haven't been on a dyno. I have had plenty of appointments to dyno at balanced performance in ATL but haven't been able to get it done purely for the reason of tuning. It's worthless to go dynotune something that isn't going to last more than a week or two. for the past few months I've been constantly upgrading something and kept switching out chips until i got my new injectors. something wierd happened with my engine code and chip tuning or something and that chip when it was sent to me didn't work. so i got an s-afc and the stock chip went back in. the s-afc helped out for a while but as i was warned wouldn't hold. so it wasn't enough to tune it properly. so why go and pay 100 bucks to try and tune my car on a dyno when it wasn't going to last for more than a week or so without having to be done again? I'd call that being smart instead of not knowing what I'm doing.

I got sponsored because after I put the turbo on I kept in touch with the company and built a relationship. I continued to upgrade and wrote them a sponsorship proposal and told them what I wanted out of my car and from them. So I got that sponsorship. My second one I had to stay on for a while. First when I tried I got told no, then I kept talking and kept talking to the owner of the company and eventually he said okay, and so i got the kit.

I have no idea what my 60' was on that run. as i have stated we are talking about a year ago and I don't have the slip for it. now maybe you remember every time and 60' combination for every time you go down the track but I don't. honestly I don't care that much. so basically you can tell me whatever you want. like i said i dont care, so whatever. when you asked me 60' before i could have sworn by what you said you were just asking me what my 60' times have been since that was right after i had told you i was at the track over christmas. so next time be a little bit clearer about what you are saying. Brock I'll be more than happy to meet you at the track just as soon as it gets back running again. i think i heard you weren't in auburn anymore so I'll come to you, no problem. right after spring break.

that's fine if you want to start going into telling me you don't like the way my car looks. all you are doing with all this is making yourself look like an idiot. so you drive a type-r, big deal. sure its a fast car but so what? it's fast stock and it handles well stock. truth is you have no idea how i can drive either so until you do keep your mouth shut. like i said you are only making yourself look like an idiot so give it up already. what are you trying to prove?

[linuxman51]

Interesting... so for 700 bucks you're going to have an 8v head that flows just as much as a stock 20v head? why dont you put the 20v on the 2.0 block and save yourself time and money? Did they say how and where it flows that much? The more radical you go with porting, big valves, and cams, the peakier an engine gets, and driveability goes in the shitter..

A better question would be what are You trying to prove? Enough money and even a beetle can haul ass? Is that what this is all about?
There's nothing wrong with being loyal to your car and what not, but you've gone through two engines in a fairly short amount of time, at least one of them was because of poor tuning. I'll give you that an SAFC isn't the best tuning device, but how is a fully programmable ems going to be different? Auto-tune? that might give you a decent base line to start with, but when you get into high performance, high boost engines, tuning and tweaking every other week is fairly normal... Thats part of the price to pay.

I don't want to assume anything, but it looks like you're kinda rushing into this half-assed.. I hope thats not the case, otherwise we'll be hearing about engine number 4 in short order..

There's really no telling what brock is out to prove, wax his ass all over the track and maybe he'll shutup :lol:

[WiggiE]

I just want to clear a few points up.

1. SAFC's are for sissies. If it don't got VTEC, you don't need it.
2. 8V head! :shock: :shock: What you got pushrods??
3. If you couldn't tune your car with an SAFC, how are you going to tune with a standalone with a thousand more options.
4. You simply didn't run a 14.2@92, that's just pure BS.

[maxpsi]

As for Scott, buddy I don't know what to say??? :roll: Its really hard to believe. Come on now Frosty, you out of all ppl should know just b/c its a turbo B16 doesn't mean that much(no offense). Frank ran a 13.6@106 and then on his factories he ran a 14.0@104 I think with a 2.2 60ft. And yes we do have timeslips and video of all these runs. Look I may be wrong but kinda hard to believe when Frank was spinning the all through 1st,2nd, and part of 3rd and only hit the 14.0 with the 2.2 60ft. Well Frank will post later on to back this up.

Steven, you don't believe me? I'm hurt :( .

Here ya go...... http://www.boomspeed.com/maxpsi/Times.jpg

Sorry for the long load. If I knew how to shorten it, I would.

[Jess]

hahahahahahahahaha, thats a 6mb file. LMAO!!

FUNCTION maxpsi_is_a_computer_geek()
{

/ maxpsi is not a computer geek, so return false under all conditions

return FALSE;
}

[Jess]

convenient, byte sized version (40k)

http://67.33.14.41/scar/Times.jpg

[psychojerm]

I've thought of putting a 20v head on my block but I've heard of lot of problems doing it. it has been done though. I haven't really looked into it yet.

I couldn't tune my car with the s-afc because of the correction percentages. I don't know whether or not it's been because of my ecu autocorrecting or what, but even with the correction maxed out it wasn't coming even close to being enough to get the fuel right. I know how to tune a car, and no matter how much you might think i don't or think I don't know what I'm doing you honestly have no idea. I'll give it to you. the first engine that I blew was out of pure stupidity. I've admitted that since about 30 seconds after it happened. I didn't mean to I was just being stupid.

this one i knew was going to go. there's no way that I could have been running that much boost on that setup the was it was and not know that I wasn't doing someting "right". I knew it was going to go I just didn't know exactly when.

I don't have the specs on the headwork yet. I haven't talked to them. I just know of a couple of other people who have gotten it done. they say it works well but I haven't really asked them a whole lot about it. I just know that they do it.

I'm not really trying to prove anything. notice i didn't start out this thread talking shit. i was simply stating what was going on. No it's not about money. I try to spend as little money as possible. There's a difference from what I've seen in the aspirations people have and what ends they will go to around here than from SC. Up there we don't really do this just for kicks it's a way of life. Clint probably got to see a little piece of that just by talking to ben and nick (the guy). People don't go talking shit behind people's backs or try and point out how they are doing everything all wrong. Blown engines aren't a sign of stupidity or failure but the next step. it shows that you've pushed your car to its max and weren't afraid to, but something needed to be done differently or made better....so do it. Up there it's a family. Not a bunch of boys running around in a pissing contest. And what if I did go through 15 engines. What does it hurt you so much to see that for?

[Jess]

I know how to tune a car, and no matter how much you might think i don't or think I don't know what I'm doing you honestly have no idea.


just wondering, if you've never been on a dyno or have a wideband setup, how can you tune your car? by the way, im eating beef jerky and its not even that good, but i bought like an $8 bag of it, so i have to eat it, yunnow?

[maxpsi]

hahahahahahahahaha, thats a 6mb file. LMAO!!

FUNCTION maxpsi_is_a_computer_geek()
{

/ maxpsi is not a computer geek, so return false under all conditions

return FALSE;
}

leave me alone :cry: :snipe:

thanks for the help there. :D

[grizoove]

1) I'll give it to you. the first engine that I blew was out of pure stupidity. I've admitted that since about 30 seconds after it happened. I didn't mean to I was just being stupid.


2)I knew it was going to go I just didn't know exactly when.


3)Up there we don't really do this just for kicks it's a way of life.


4)Blown engines aren't a sign of stupidity or failure but the next step. it shows that you've pushed your car to its max and weren't afraid to, but something needed to be done differently or made better....so do it. And what if I did go through 15 engines.


Well I am going to chime in hear, I dont know a damn thing about snails so I wont get into that and make myself look like an ass. Here are some responses to the abouve outline:

1) you blew up engine 1 due to stupidity, kinda like the guy around here who had some malfunctions after downshifing at redline in his celica.
2) You knew it was going to go because of what you did to it. You knew that it wasn't going to work, but you did it anyway. Shows either a lack of good judgement, or you have a money tree.
3) Yeah, well I live my life a quarter mile at a time, and I just love the "scene."
4) You said that your first engine was blown due to stupidity. Pushing something past its limits is a sign of lack of control, or lack of knowledge as to where the limit is. The task is to find that limit and not exceed it. Thus netting you the most out of whatever, without consequences. And if you did go through 15 engines you would have 13 mistakes on your part and possibly 2 acts of God that destroyed your stuff.

so blown engine=mistake (usually)
and mistake=stupidity, or lack of knowledge
so for all you math majors: blown engine=stupidity or lack of knowledge.

[1.8t]

Maxpsi, how much boost are you running. I troll clubsi.com a lot and I have yet to see a B16 with just a straight up turbokit(on stock injectors @ 7psi) run 105mph. However, I have been told that you are on stock injectors and that you only ru 7psi? Is this accurate or am I off?

For instance...... read the 3rd post on this thread http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB12&Number=822712&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

This guy has a built engine and whole host of other stuff and his best trap is 102.X mph.

[ActiveAero]

okay, brock, I'm done arguing with you. it's getting real old. yeah i haven't been on a dyno. I have had plenty of appointments to dyno at balanced performance in ATL but haven't been able to get it done purely for the reason of tuning. It's worthless to go dynotune something that isn't going to last more than a week or two. for the past few months I've been constantly upgrading something and kept switching out chips until i got my new injectors. something wierd happened with my engine code and chip tuning or something and that chip when it was sent to me didn't work. so i got an s-afc and the stock chip went back in. the s-afc helped out for a while but as i was warned wouldn't hold. so it wasn't enough to tune it properly. so why go and pay 100 bucks to try and tune my car on a dyno when it wasn't going to last for more than a week or so without having to be done again? I'd call that being smart instead of not knowing what I'm doing.

I got sponsored because after I put the turbo on I kept in touch with the company and built a relationship. I continued to upgrade and wrote them a sponsorship proposal and told them what I wanted out of my car and from them. So I got that sponsorship. My second one I had to stay on for a while. First when I tried I got told no, then I kept talking and kept talking to the owner of the company and eventually he said okay, and so i got the kit.

I have no idea what my 60' was on that run. as i have stated we are talking about a year ago and I don't have the slip for it. now maybe you remember every time and 60' combination for every time you go down the track but I don't. honestly I don't care that much. so basically you can tell me whatever you want. like i said i dont care, so whatever. when you asked me 60' before i could have sworn by what you said you were just asking me what my 60' times have been since that was right after i had told you i was at the track over christmas. so next time be a little bit clearer about what you are saying. Brock I'll be more than happy to meet you at the track just as soon as it gets back running again. i think i heard you weren't in auburn anymore so I'll come to you, no problem. right after spring break.

that's fine if you want to start going into telling me you don't like the way my car looks. all you are doing with all this is making yourself look like an idiot. so you drive a type-r, big deal. sure its a fast car but so what? it's fast stock and it handles well stock. truth is you have no idea how i can drive either so until you do keep your mouth shut. like i said you are only making yourself look like an idiot so give it up already. what are you trying to prove?

1. You've had a bunch of dyno appointments? Wow that is impressive.
2. Dyno tuning is a waste of time because your car wasn't going to last more than a week? Newsflash dumbass...thats one of the biggest reasons you go to the dyno. You tune the car so that it will last more than a week. If you knew it wasn't going to last that long why in the hell did you keep driving it? So you can be cool and say "I'm progressing because I'm blowing engines yo!".
3. Yeah basically I do remember every significant 1/4mi and the 60' that went with it. Its just a tad bit important. You saying your going to compete in drag events is a joke. You can't event remember two numbers together but you think you can run in a competition.
4. I'm making myself look like an idiot because I don't like how your car looks? Nah not really because I really DO think it looks like a gay ass M&M mobile. Last time I checked your car looked like a circle that a 2 year old tried to draw, which isn't far off from the shape of an M&M.
5. I have no idea how you can drive so keep my mouth shut? It doesn't matter because I know how good I can drive. You've never been to an autocross and frankly you couldn't touch me. Heck I'll let you drive my car and you won't touch me. I race against very seasoned auto-x and roadracers and lets just say I'm more than competitive. :wink: Yeah I sound cocky but it just directed to you because your so full of BS.
6. I'm just trying to prove that you are full of crap and a little punk that I could make my biatch.

[Frosty_DUB]

This guy has a built engine and whole host of other stuff and his best trap is 102.X mph.

That is because he is a dumbass. Club si has no fast cars. club si is full of 16yrolds.

A the guy with a stock motor in a 99ex ran a 101 or 102.


I know if i spent 3k on a turbo kit for a new si and only ran 14's at 101 i would shoot myself.

[psychojerm]

whatever brock, I'll meet you on the track that's fine. and I didn't say that I didn't dyno tune the car because the car wasn't going to last a week. I said I didn't dyno the car because the TUNING wouldn't hold on it a week. Once again you are misreading my posts. So newsflash to you yes it would have been a waste of time.

No you aren't making yourself look stupid because you don't like the way my car looks you are making yourself looks stupid because you can't have a decent conversation here.

Jess I can tune my car pretty well without being on a dyno. Instead of a regular air/guel gauge I have a digital numerical readout of what the air/fuel ratio is. with that and a tuning mechanism, say and AFC or standalone system I can tune the car much in the same way you would dynotune something, only not as accurate.

now as far as this whole engine thing that everyone seems to have such a problem with. yes i knew that I was going to blow the engine. did I care? not really. Why? because I have sponsors that absorb most of the cost of these things and in order to go any further with what I was doing I had to upgrade internals. the stock internals of a 2.0 mkIV beetle can hold at max 260hp i believe. I may be a little off but that's what I'm remembering right now. So call it stupidity if you want but it isnt. and it might as well be a money tree because it isnt me that's paying for most of this. sure I have to put out some money but in the scheme of things it isnt a whole lot. pushing a engine past what it can do isnt smart if you can't fix it. mine's being fixed. no big deal.

[Catchme]

MMMM... m&ms melt in your mouth not in your hand. I kinda like m&ms they are quite milk chocolicious. I have to contest my first statement tho. If i hold those mofos in my hand for longer than 5 seconds, you sure as heck can bet that i will have green,red,blue,etc. colors all over my hand.

[ActiveAero]

whatever brock, I'll meet you on the track that's fine. and I didn't say that I didn't dyno tune the car because the car wasn't going to last a week. I said I didn't dyno the car because the TUNING wouldn't hold on it a week. Once again you are misreading my posts. So newsflash to you yes it would have been a waste of time.

No you aren't making yourself look stupid because you don't like the way my car looks you are making yourself looks stupid because you can't have a decent conversation here.

Jess I can tune my car pretty well without being on a dyno. Instead of a regular air/guel gauge I have a digital numerical readout of what the air/fuel ratio is. with that and a tuning mechanism, say and AFC or standalone system I can tune the car much in the same way you would dynotune something, only not as accurate.

now as far as this whole engine thing that everyone seems to have such a problem with. yes i knew that I was going to blow the engine. did I care? not really. Why? because I have sponsors that absorb most of the cost of these things and in order to go any further with what I was doing I had to upgrade internals. the stock internals of a 2.0 mkIV beetle can hold at max 260hp i believe. I may be a little off but that's what I'm remembering right now. So call it stupidity if you want but it isnt. and it might as well be a money tree because it isnt me that's paying for most of this. sure I have to put out some money but in the scheme of things it isnt a whole lot. pushing a engine past what it can do isnt smart if you can't fix it. mine's being fixed. no big deal.

1. So I guess driving the untuned car around was a much wiser decision. :roll:

2. I don't have decent conversation with stunnaz that try to avoid the questions that call out their BS. Are you just mad because I'm still pressing the topic so you decide to throw in the "I'll try to make Brock look dumb by focusing on something else besides my big lies, hmmm saying a big word like conversation will get him". :?

3. You can tune your car well yet it has never run right in over a year? Whoa a digital AF meter! Man that is really going to show your power output in relation to your air/fuel curve. Do you even know at what ratio your car runs the best at? Hate to tell you that every car is slightly different and in terms of safety have different margins of error when concerned with running lean. You state that you can tune it just not as accurate. Yeah who in the world wants accurate tuning on a built aftermarket turbo car. :roll:

4. Who cares if you can blow engines free of charge or not? Most of us actually like driving around our well running but non-sponsored rides. Seems like you've been deprived of the well running part for a long time.

[ActiveAero]

This was sent to me by a secret ninja. Thought it was quite funny. Below are quotes from his site and from SCAR.


SCAR:
"no there are plenty of people who have turboed 2.0 engines"

from his site:
"It is one of very few 2.0T beetles around due to difficulty in installing a turbo on one."

"
from his site:
I'm now running mid 13 second 1/4 mile times and putting down just over "250hp."

SCAR:
I have not been on a dyno, but with a g-tech it read out 242hp at the wheels"

Thanks for saving us the trouble and owning yourself.

[WiggiE]

I said I didn't dyno the car because the TUNING wouldn't hold on it a week.
So was the tuning just going to disappear in thin air? The settings in the AFC just happen to get erased at the end of every week?

Jess I can tune my car pretty well without being on a dyno. Instead of a regular air/guel gauge I have a digital numerical readout of what the air/fuel ratio is. with that and a tuning mechanism, say and AFC or standalone system I can tune the car much in the same way you would dynotune something, only not as accurate.
Wow you must have a really senstive butt. :lol: Seriously though, do you think your O2 sensor is accurate enough to tell you if you are rich or lean? Maybe there is a reason why they make Wideband O2 sensors?? Newsflash, you wasted your money on that A/F gauge. All it is is a voltage meter. You can make one for less than 2 dollars. Also, do you by any chance have a EGT gauge? Probably not, because your ass and voltage meter are way more advanced than that.


now as far as this whole engine thing that everyone seems to have such a problem with. yes i knew that I was going to blow the engine. did I care? not really. Why? because I have sponsors that absorb most of the cost of these things and in order to go any further with what I was doing I had to upgrade internals. the stock internals of a 2.0 mkIV beetle can hold at max 260hp i believe.
Well, that's just funny. You weren't even close to 260hp and you blew it. Doesn't that make you stupid for not properly taking care of your motor? Why put a turbo kit on your car if you can't even keep it from blowing up?

and it might as well be a money tree because it isnt me that's paying for most of this.
Correction, money tree = mommie's tittie.

No it's not about money. I try to spend as little money as possible.
Wow, did the body kit, wheels and stereo equipment all come with the car??



One last thing. Since you are the bizzomb at tuning, do you think if i paid you, you can blow up my engine and your mommie, i mean sponsors, will buy me a built motor. 8)


Are you ever going to reply about not running the 14.2@92??? You know you didn't run it, so just admit it and quit trying to avoid it.

[maxpsi]

Maxpsi, how much boost are you running. I troll clubsi.com a lot and I have yet to see a B16 with just a straight up turbokit(on stock injectors @ 7psi) run 105mph. However, I have been told that you are on stock injectors and that you only ru 7psi? Is this accurate or am I off?

For instance...... read the 3rd post on this thread http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB12&Number=822712&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

This guy has a built engine and whole host of other stuff and his best trap is 102.X mph.

I am on stock injectors and that was before I was running anything around 7psi (I say anything around because the Deltagate I was using had a mind of its own). At that time, my vaccuum source for my wastegate was running off the turbo. At that time, my boost gauge was reading a max of 4psi. After that run, I moved my vacuum source to the back of the intake manifold, and the boost gauge was reading 7psi. I should be at the dyno next Saturday for tuning. I sorry if this is hard to believe, but I have no reason to lie to you. This whole thing about my times started when someone asked me about them. I never went out and boasted about my times (they aren't even in my sig like some ppl do). I don't feel the need to impress anyone, so therefore you can take my word for it. Trust me, these times shocked me too. Hell, I was shocked when on my 2nd run I ran a trap of 102mph.

[maxpsi]

This guy has a built engine and whole host of other stuff and his best trap is 102.X mph.

That is because he is a dumbass. Club si has no fast cars. club si is full of 16yrolds.

A the guy with a stock motor in a 99ex ran a 101 or 102.


I know if i spent 3k on a turbo kit for a new si and only ran 14's at 101 i would shoot myself.

who are you talkin about?

[psychojerm]

my car has run right plenty of times over the past year, but i guess you would know since I've seen you like what 3 times in the past year?

there are plenty of 2.0 turbo engines just not a whole lot of beetles unless you go overseas. before you said 2.0 engines, not beetles. more beetles are doing it now too. the kits actually fit now.

that's funny you say i wasn't even close to 260hp. since i did get a 242hp reading from a g-tech, which i'm assuming was probably a little high, but take it down a bit, add 15% to back it up to the flywheel and I'm right at 260. good math though. I'm proud of you.

so i dont really see where I owned myself at all, but thanks.

yes actually my car runs best at a 12:1 air fuel ratio across the line, no lower than 11.3 and no higher than a 12.5 for optimal performance.

My mom hasn't ever paid for anything on my car, as maybe she has yours since you keep saying something about it Wiggie. I use to work at best buy, bought plenty of stereo equipment for cheap, which all got stolen beginning of last school year, so my insurance cut me a check for over 4000 dollars. so i bought new stereo equipment that was better. I'm sponsored by Beetle Cup Connection, that's who makes my kit. Any questions there? I got the wheels at wholesale as I do tired since one of my best friends is a distributor for coughman tire. Any more questions?

No the AFC doesn't reset weekly. there's something about the VW ecu that will start to autocorrect it back to what it wants to. especially on drive by wire cars. mine is not drive by wire, but since mine was made 6 months prior to every car being drive by wire the ecu programming is wierd. it is setup like they were preparing for drive by wire, so even though it isnt, something inteferes with the AFC and makes it only work for a small period of time before it starts autocorrecting.

the discussion of times is over. that was talked about for the first two pages of this thread and I stand by what I said. that's all there is to it. I'm not avoiding it, I just feel it's rather stupid to sit here and go "yes i did" and you go "no you didn't" and so on. Basically if you don't believe me that's fine. If you do that's fine. if you just don't care that's fine.

[WiggiE]

that's funny you say i wasn't even close to 260hp. since i did get a 242hp reading from a g-tech, which i'm assuming was probably a little high, but take it down a bit, add 15% to back it up to the flywheel and I'm right at 260. good math though. I'm proud of you.
I really hope you don't believe a g-tech. If you don't do everything perfectly with them they will misread. I had one tell me I had 225whp. So subtract 80 and get about my WHP. So we'll take 80 from 242 and get 162 and add 15% to get 198.3 crank hp. Real close to 260 buddy.

Usually my car runs best at a 12:1 air fuel ratio across the line, no lower than 11.3 and no higher than a 12.5 for optimal performance.
Was that found from your "ultimate" butt dyno??

No the AFC doesn't reset weekly. there's something about the VW ecu that will start to autocorrect it back to what it wants to.
Then why did you waste your money on the AFC??

the discussion of times is over. that was talked about for the first two pages of this thread and I stand by what I said.
That's fine by me, since you don't want to discuss, I take it you won't be coming back to this DISCUSSion board.

So bye ricer, and have fun impressing everyone with your mid 13 second quarter mile times. :lol:

[1.8t]

Oh, I believe you Max. I saw you run your mph in person, so I know your not lieing. Like I said, I have just never seen a B16 run that mph on 7psi with stock injectors like yours. Must have a freak on your hands 8)

[ActiveAero]

my car has run right plenty of times over the past year, but i guess you would know since I've seen you like what 3 times in the past year?

there are plenty of 2.0 turbo engines just not a whole lot of beetles unless you go overseas. before you said 2.0 engines, not beetles. more beetles are doing it now too. the kits actually fit now.

that's funny you say i wasn't even close to 260hp. since i did get a 242hp reading from a g-tech, which i'm assuming was probably a little high, but take it down a bit, add 15% to back it up to the flywheel and I'm right at 260. good math though. I'm proud of you.

so i dont really see where I owned myself at all, but thanks.

yes actually my car runs best at a 12:1 air fuel ratio across the line, no lower than 11.3 and no higher than a 12.5 for optimal performance.

My mom hasn't ever paid for anything on my car, as maybe she has yours since you keep saying something about it Wiggie. I use to work at best buy, bought plenty of stereo equipment for cheap, which all got stolen beginning of last school year, so my insurance cut me a check for over 4000 dollars. so i bought new stereo equipment that was better. I'm sponsored by Beetle Cup Connection, that's who makes my kit. Any questions there? I got the wheels at wholesale as I do tired since one of my best friends is a distributor for coughman tire. Any more questions?

No the AFC doesn't reset weekly. there's something about the VW ecu that will start to autocorrect it back to what it wants to. especially on drive by wire cars. mine is not drive by wire, but since mine was made 6 months prior to every car being drive by wire the ecu programming is wierd. it is setup like they were preparing for drive by wire, so even though it isnt, something inteferes with the AFC and makes it only work for a small period of time before it starts autocorrecting.

the discussion of times is over. that was talked about for the first two pages of this thread and I stand by what I said. that's all there is to it. I'm not avoiding it, I just feel it's rather stupid to sit here and go "yes i did" and you go "no you didn't" and so on. Basically if you don't believe me that's fine. If you do that's fine. if you just don't care that's fine.

1. You got your whp from a FREAKING GTECH YOU DUMBASS! YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH POWER YOU ARE MAKING!

2. Do you not find if funny that in your statement about 2.0liter turbo kits you are having to correct YOURSELF. Now if thats not funny nothing is. OF COURSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 2.0 ENGINES IN BEETLES YOU MORON THIS WHOLE FREAKING TOPIC IS ABOUT YOUR DAMN M&M CAR SO WHAT ELSE WOULD ANY OF US BE TALKING ABOUT!!?

3. So what if you got stuff for cheap? YOU STILL HAD TO BUY IT SO THE STATEMENT ABOUT "I TRY NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT" WAS FALSE. Good deal or not it cost a decent bit of cash. I know people that work at best buy too. You get a discount, but they don't hand out free stereo equipment and in car TV sets for free.

4. You AF statement is also incorrect. Every car is different even with the EXACT same mods. Besides the AF meter you have is most likely an expensive piece of crap that does nothing more than try to interpret what your O2 sensor is trying to read (which isn't accurate at all). A good AF monitor cost a hella lot. Upwards of $1,000.

5. You car has run right plenty of times over the year? Yeah it seems like it. Most of us have to go through new engines and constant tuning issues like you. Oh wait we don't. You make excuses about your car because of tuning and all sorts of other crap then you get on here now and are saying it runs good. You are just digging a deeper hole.

6. Do you not realize you are an idot you has NO IDEA what he is doing? You are one of those people that thinks he knows it all and can't be convinced other wise. That's fine because as long as your car runs like crap and continues to attract man love I'm really not bothered by it. Wait, even if it was running right I wouldn't be bothered by it because you still aren't going to be able to change the man love part. It sure must suck driving a blue circle around all day with other men blowing kisses at you.

[WiggiE]

In summary:

1. 8 valves are better than 20 valves.
2. AFC's are just flashy pieces of crap.
3. Piston rings are made out of cardboard and like to get soggy.
4. A built block puts down 300whp regardless of the boost level.
5. Fuel is the primary cause of detionation.
6. Ringlands crack from the vibration of the misshapen piston rings.
7. 14.19 is easily attainable with a high 60 foot, loss of traction, and 92mph at the traps.
8. Your strongest gear depends on the situation, not hp.
9. Running lean does not eat your ringlands or rings, fuel does.
10. You can tell your rings are gone without taking the engine apart.
11. Gtech's give you a correct indicator of your whp.
12. A digital A/F guage, a butt, and an AFC are all you need to properly tune a car.
13. Contradicting yourself does not mean you owned yourself.

[Frosty_DUB]

This guy has a built engine and whole host of other stuff and his best trap is 102.X mph.

That is because he is a dumbass. Club si has no fast cars. club si is full of 16yrolds.

A the guy with a stock motor in a 99ex ran a 101 or 102.


I know if i spent 3k on a turbo kit for a new si and only ran 14's at 101 i would shoot myself.

who are you talkin about?

I was talking about the guy with a fully built motor plus turbo that only traps 102 in an si.

PS. you need some slicks y0!

[WiggiE]

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[maxpsi]

Oh, I believe you Max. I saw you run your mph in person, so I know your not lieing. Like I said, I have just never seen a B16 run that mph on 7psi with stock injectors like yours. Must have a freak on your hands 8)

You saw me run those at Steele? yeah those times freak me out too. BTW, my boost gauge was reading 4psi when I ran those times. It wasn't till after I ran those times did I move the vacuum source for the wastegate from the turbo to the intake mani. Then the boost gauge started to read higher. I can't wait to dyno it next Saturday. I just wish I had a camera to video the dyno session. Anyone up for going to ATL next Sat. lol.

Clint - I had slicks, but sold them. I was thinking about putting my stockies back on and cram some Azenis under there. I am pretty sure I can fit some 195s on stock rims.

[psychojerm]

this is getting so funny. wiggie you drive a stock gsr. i have a hotter girlfriend that you could ever dream of and if you don't believe me then go visit www.auburn.edu/~morteml plenty of people here can verify that's my girlfriend.

in response to your post...
no one ever said 8 valves are better than 20

no one said that AFC's are flashy pieces of crap except for you when you said that they were worthless unless you had vtec. I guess that's why they make a v-afc and an s-afc. I guess the air fuel controller part of it doesn't even compare to being able to change where v-tec kicks in.

numbers 3 and 4 are worthless and apparently came from your own imagination.

i dont believe we've even talked about detonation here

ringlands can, do, and have cracked due to pistons vibrating in the cylinders.

blah blah blah, read past posts

my strongest gear does depend on the situation, and so do a lot of others

no one said that running lean doesn't do those things and so does running rich. and you might want to realize that running lean is a fuel condition as well before you post something that says that running lean does not cause something but fuel does.

you can tell the rings are gone without taking the block apart, or at least be 99% sure that they are. kind of like the fact that I have oil coming out my exhaust.

i never said that a gtech gave you a correct reading of hp but if it told you 80hp off then you apparently suck at entering in the primary data.

i never contradicted myself.

brock...

as i said i didn't count that as reliable.

according to when you asked me how i got sponsored you said it was because i put a turbo on a 2.0 engine and no one does that, so learn to say what you mean.

i never said i try not to spend money i said i try to spend as little as possible on what i do buy.

you are right, i spend a little less than 1000 dollars on my stereo from best buy, as i said it was after my car got broken into and everything stolen that i got the stuff i have now which the insurance paid for. so i paid around 1000 for a 4500 dollar stereo system.

i didn't get the range of a/f readings i should be running at from an in car meter. i got that from ATP, who does happen to know what my car should be running at with the mods that I have.

so i guess this one engine I've had to replace in 2 years means that my car hasn't run right ever. no brock apparently you are the one that thinks he knows it all. you make comments about things you wouldn't have a clue about. man love? don't think so but anyway.

and for the record at a 10:1 compression ratio running 15psi when i told George at ATP that a gtech read out at 242hp he looked it up and said it should have actually been higher. which is probably true since i did overshoot the weight readings for the 200 pound speaker box with a 12w7 sitting in the trunk. but you guys are right, especially you wiggie. you seem to really know what you are talking about, especially when it comes to my car since I don't even know who you are and i had to ask. i won't even tell you how you got described.

[ActiveAero]

this is getting so funny. wiggie you drive a stock gsr. i have a hotter girlfriend that you could ever dream of and if you don't believe me then go visit www.auburn.edu/~morteml plenty of people here can verify that's my girlfriend.

brock...

as i said i didn't count that as reliable.

according to when you asked me how i got sponsored you said it was because i put a turbo on a 2.0 engine and no one does that, so learn to say what you mean.

i never said i try not to spend money i said i try to spend as little as possible on what i do buy.

you are right, i spend a little less than 1000 dollars on my stereo from best buy, as i said it was after my car got broken into and everything stolen that i got the stuff i have now which the insurance paid for. so i paid around 1000 for a 4500 dollar stereo system.

i didn't get the range of a/f readings i should be running at from an in car meter. i got that from ATP, who does happen to know what my car should be running at with the mods that I have.

so i guess this one engine I've had to replace in 2 years means that my car hasn't run right ever. no brock apparently you are the one that thinks he knows it all. you make comments about things you wouldn't have a clue about. man love? don't think so but anyway.

and for the record at a 10:1 compression ratio running 15psi when i told George at ATP that a gtech read out at 242hp he looked it up and said it should have actually been higher. which is probably true since i did overshoot the weight readings for the 200 pound speaker box with a 12w7 sitting in the trunk. but you guys are right, especially you wiggie. you seem to really know what you are talking about, especially when it comes to my car since I don't even know who you are and i had to ask. i won't even tell you how you got described.

1. He drives a stock GSR that would hand you your ass at an auto-x event and traps 93mph which is faster than your pathetic 92mph on a damn boosted engine. Oh and it isn't the top car for gay men (saw an actuall poll on this).

2. "I have a hotter girlfriend". UH ARE YOU A DAMN 5 YEAR OLD!? Oh and guess what bitch why don't you ask your girlfriend about when she was macking on me and telling me how much of a punk you were. She also mentioned how you guys were broke up when you really weren't. Oh and she also wanted me to come sit with her in YOUR CAR and watch a movie why you were busy talking. Don't make me break out a certain set of thong pictures. :wink:

3. No I don't know everything but I sure don't talk out of my ace like you.

4. So ATP knows your car. Thats nice, too bad every single car is different even with the EXACT same mods.

5. Yeah I'm sure a well tuned car with that PSI and compression does make good power. Too bad since your car has never been tuned right you have no clue if the GTECH was close or not. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS!?

[MarleeAUchick]

Ok, this is Marlee... Some of you know me, some don't... I am Jeremy Nelson's girlfriend. If you wanna know who I am, go to www.auburn.edu/~morteml I have never posted on here before, but in my own defense I feel it necesssary to say a few things to my good buddy Brock in his girly, yellow car.

First of all, how are you going to call Jeremy "5-years-old" when you are the ones sitting around picking on him for no reason just to start fights and crap. I am pretty sure you are the ones acting like children. He is a great car and has worked really hard to buy and install everything that has ever been done to it. Trust me on this!

Ok, and Brock, I have never "macked" on you, sorry pal, you are not my type. Maybe if you were a lot hotter and could actually carry on an educated conversation we could actually talk, but all I ever did is say hello to you. I asked you to watch a movie with me? I am pretty sure this never happened, but if it did... It was because I was terribly bored and you were the most entertaining thing in a 5 foot radius.... what can I say, I needed a good laugh... I have never called Jeremy a punk, sorry, I do not even use that word, and I love Jeremy and would not talk about him to anyone, especially someone I barely know.

And when did I ever tell you that Jeremy and I were ever broken up? Brock, give it up man, I just do not think you are at all attractive, so, I would have no reason to get you to think Jeremy and i were not together!

Oh yeah, and thong pictures, I am pretty sure that NO ONE has ever had any of those, but I would like to see them, since they are of me right? I think you need to watch what you say and who you say it to, because I am not some little girl who is going to sit around and be talked to like some bitch.

You need to learn a little respect for people. I am sorry we are all not as lucky as you to have a high and mighty yellow integra type R, but last time I checked, there really isnt anything special about it. From what I hear from everyone I have talked to, you got lucky, a fast car stock.... Congratualations....

In conclusion keep your mouth shut because...

BITCH, YOU GOT OWNED!!!!

Love, Marlee

[maxpsi]

Hey, Brock, how do you like your VAFC so far?

[linuxman51]

15psi on a 2.0 with 10:1 compression... I asked you before (before you intercooled your car) what the compression ratio was and *you* told me it was like 9.7:1 or 9.8:1 or something there abouts.
We don't round up on compression ratios, kiddies, it makes a *BIG* difference.

Now, more than 250 wheel power on an engine that NA put down 96?

hmm.. I have a hard time believing that, and I'll tell you why: At 1 bar (14.7 psi, rounding is safe here kids) an engine's horsepower theoretically doubles. So, that would put you at around 200 to the wheels. Since this is a boosted application and thusly the efficency of the engine is improoved to a certain extent, you can add a little more, maybe 20, but realistically somewhere around 10.
So that gives us a theoretical output of 210 whp. That assumes near perfect tuning in ideal circumstances, which it has already been established didn't exist. Correct so far? I'm using your numbers for this, so it should be spot on.

Now, we'll bring out another case study, one that I personally know tons more about. My car. While the technology is a bit dated(can't be that bad, right? hyundai used the same fuel computer thats in my car in their 96's.. :lol: ) I'm seeing a few similarities. 8v head, relatively high compression (9.8:1 here) turbo charged. I bombed around for months with the boost set at 14psi (smaller turbo at the time tho) and I would guess I was laying down something in and around 200 hp when all was said and done, perhaps a little more (no dyno for me). I've been told by others who are fairly good at extrapolating hp from 1/4 times that my car was making around 250 at the crank, but I take little stock in that. I'll buy 220 or so at the crank, with about 190 making it to the ground. My car also has the aerodynamics of a wall. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the first time I saw you and your boosted 2.0, it was in the rearview on the interstate dissapearing rapidly in the big scar roll on. This was before I replaced my tired old turbo with a bigger better one. My personal best time is a 14.89@94, the car's best is a 14.86@93 and some change. 2.2~2.3 60's on both. Now generally, any low 15 second car is a good race, and your 92 mph trap speed would indicate that it would have been a good race, but it wasn't. In fact, if i recall, it was pretty ugly. And then shortly after that you were making claims of well over 200 to the wheels.

Sorry kido, your shit don't float. If what you said then was true, you should have been pulling leaps and bounds on me, esp over 80 mph. Didn't see that happen.
For the record tho, my shit finally developed problems. Sad to say, the dreaded volvo piston slap caught up with me and I believe I managed to crack a piston skirt (could be wrong, I'll know when I pull it out and do the post mortem. Still runs ok, uses a tad of oil, detonates like mad with anything over 7psi :( ).
Thats a bitch. Over a year of boost and abuse, and 132,000 miles, the past 75,000 where it's seen cruel, unusual, and unrelenting abuse.
Too bad veedub doesn't make em as good now as volvo did in the 80's, eh?

Straight line power is fun, but any monkey can be trained to do it(and do it better than any of us. true fact). Bring it out to the auto-x's and we'll see where the real tallent is. I make no promises and have no false expectations, but the 911 driver at the last auto-x was really surprised when a volvo beat his time...

[psychojerm]

ha ha how funny. anyways....brock you have no clue whether or not my car has been tuned, which it has. So basically until you have a clue keep your mouth shut. nodody needs your BS. I don't know if its your ego you are trying to feed or what here but something deep down inside you is messed up.

you know I'm so glad that you take whatever the conversation is and make it an autocross competition. you know, there is more to life than an autox course. :roll:

he traps 93. so i trapped a 92 once and I'm getting ridiculed over it. I don't trap 92mph now do i? wait you don't really know do you. you will though before long.

i never knew you had this underlying problem with me. since you obviously do then why didn't you ever say anything to me to my face? this is fun and all but it's gotten a bit lame.

basically you've resorted to talking crap about things that you have no clue about. you have no idea how my car runs. you've never ridden in it, you've never driven it, hell you've never even raced it, much less followed me down the street. so until you have a real matter to discuss with me I'm done. I'll be the bigger person here since you obviously can't. you are stuck in a two year old's mentality and can't get out of it.

you aren't God brock, not even close....so get a clue. you aren't the driving god, you aren't the ITR god, and you definitely aren't the intelligence god. you can drive well, yay. i know a hundred people that can outdrive you. #1 on my list being ben howard. one of my best friends. i believe that you know him too. He's in Lunspeed from greenville, sc. he's all into honda tech and helped organize the meet last weekend. he can outdrive, out tune, and out talk you any day of the week. I'm not going to say I can because that would just start you up again. so if you are done repeating yourself and making yourself look like a fool its over. if not......post again.

I'm sure I know which one will happen though.

[psychojerm]

my compression is a 10:1. dead on. i dont remember telling you that but if i did I'm sorry. it's a 10:1. feel free to look that up if you'd like.

as far as that night on the interstate. if you remember correctly I was running 2, that's right, 2psi. I had a huge piping leak in the pipe coming directly off of the turbo outlet that i could never find because it seemed tight. it wasn't a beaded pipe at the time and so it was leaking. if anyone can remember back that far that wasn't long after I was asking all the audi guys at the intramural fields what would be making me loose boost because i couldn't find a leak and they said that my turbo may have been messed up. also, if i was running correctly which i wasn't, but even theoretically if i was, at 7psi non intercooled i wouldn't have been pulling on you at all. 7psi is suppose to give me 175-180hp as has already been mentioned on here. so how with 180 at 7psi are you saying I'd only be getting a max of 200 or 210 at 15? that doesn't really make sense to me.

I'll call and get all the "real" data on monday so I can make sure that I'm saying it all right. I'll find out how and why I should expect that kind of power from 15psi on stock compression.

[linuxman51]

Ok, this is Marlee... Some of you know me, some don't... I am Jeremy Nelson's girlfriend. If you wanna know who I am, go to www.auburn.edu/~morteml I have never posted on here before, but in my own defense I feel it necesssary to say a few things to my good buddy Brock in his girly, yellow car.

First of all, how are you going to call Jeremy "5-years-old" when you are the ones sitting around picking on him for no reason just to start fights and crap. I am pretty sure you are the ones acting like children. He is a great car and has worked really hard to buy and install everything that has ever been done to it. Trust me on this!

Ok, and Brock, I have never "macked" on you, sorry pal, you are not my type. Maybe if you were a lot hotter and could actually carry on an educated conversation we could actually talk, but all I ever did is say hello to you. I asked you to watch a movie with me? I am pretty sure this never happened, but if it did... It was because I was terribly bored and you were the most entertaining thing in a 5 foot radius.... what can I say, I needed a good laugh... I have never called Jeremy a punk, sorry, I do not even use that word, and I love Jeremy and would not talk about him to anyone, especially someone I barely know.

And when did I ever tell you that Jeremy and I were ever broken up? Brock, give it up man, I just do not think you are at all attractive, so, I would have no reason to get you to think Jeremy and i were not together!

Oh yeah, and thong pictures, I am pretty sure that NO ONE has ever had any of those, but I would like to see them, since they are of me right? I think you need to watch what you say and who you say it to, because I am not some little girl who is going to sit around and be talked to like some bitch.

You need to learn a little respect for people. I am sorry we are all not as lucky as you to have a high and mighty yellow integra type R, but last time I checked, there really isnt anything special about it. From what I hear from everyone I have talked to, you got lucky, a fast car stock.... Congratualations....

In conclusion keep your mouth shut because...

BITCH, YOU GOT OWNED!!!!

Love, Marlee

:::: sniff sniff ::::
mmmm
I smell SKANKS! You'd better get outa here before I leave tire marks on your face!

Really, no body cares.
In case someone missed it, or there's any mistake about it all
He brings it on himself.. No one cares what he spent on it, in fact, that sounds suspiciously like a ricer comment: "I got da wing, da tip, da intake and da stickas y0! I'm makin at least 200 at the rear wheels on my civic"

Nobody's contesting the bolt on stuff, the discussion here is the validity of his comments concerning power output. Its nice to know you stand by your man, but when it comes to car discussions and smack talk thereabouts, you generally do far more harm than good (just ask the bitch at the track who rode in with her boyfriend in his SI... not from AU).

As a side note, "Great car" is completely objective. If you like a car thats got a dash so big you can throw a party on it, good for you. I personally don't care for beetles at all. Its all well and good, I'm sure that there are plenty of people that dont care for my car at all (mostly victims :lol:), what ever floats your boat. I prefer something thats fairly affordable, reliable, and easy to work on. I can think of only three incidents where my car has left me on the road since I got it in 98.. electrical problem caused it to die and not start, then the timing belt broke in 2000, and recently the crank pully broke after I didnt tighten down the bolt enough.

Sweet innocent Jeremy nuked one engine running nawz, and then in fairly short order nuked another with his turbo kit and stellar tuning abilities.

So yeah, sticking by your man is respectable and all, but you're not going to be able to alleviate, correct, or help the situation.
Cute, perhaps clever, but inneffective.

[linuxman51]

my compression is a 10:1. dead on. i dont remember telling you that but if i did I'm sorry. it's a 10:1. feel free to look that up if you'd like.

as far as that night on the interstate. if you remember correctly I was running 2, that's right, 2psi. I had a huge piping leak in the pipe coming directly off of the turbo outlet that i could never find because it seemed tight. it wasn't a beaded pipe at the time and so it was leaking. if anyone can remember back that far that wasn't long after I was asking all the audi guys at the intramural fields what would be making me loose boost because i couldn't find a leak and they said that my turbo may have been messed up. also, if i was running correctly which i wasn't, but even theoretically if i was, at 7psi non intercooled i wouldn't have been pulling on you at all. 7psi is suppose to give me 175-180hp as has already been mentioned on here. so how with 180 at 7psi are you saying I'd only be getting a max of 200 or 210 at 15? that doesn't really make sense to me.

I'll call and get all the "real" data on monday so I can make sure that I'm saying it all right. I'll find out how and why I should expect that kind of power from 15psi on stock compression.

Thats fine, I'd like to see a dyno graph of someone putting down 250 to the wheels with just 15psi.

Saying "It should make such and such" is bullshit. We thought my car "should make 280 ft/lbs of torque" after we turboed it. It obviously hasn't.
My whole point there was theoretical numbers don't equate to real life numbers, occasionally they're lower, more often than not they're way higher, and the reason is the formulas used to come about them assume 100% perfect conditions.
Add to that your displacement is 2.0L, you've got an 8v head.. not knocking the head, but lets be realistic here.. they have fairly poor flow when compared with something more modern in design. So you're starting with an engine thats not that powerful in stock form and adding a little boost (yes, in as much as boosted applications are concerned, 15psi isn't much) and expecting the world to turn around? Get your head out of the clouds man! The *only* way a g-tech could hope to be anywhere close to accurate is if you're on a flat smooth road (show me one in alabama). Every magazine has said flat out that they're pretty good for determining how much a given mod has added based on the % change from a previous set of runs, but that their numbers are off by a fairly large amount most of the time.

[Matt Harris]

This is pretty amusing. To throw in a slightly less biased summary:

Brock -- Mostly right, but getting off on being an asshole.

Jeremy -- Mostly wrong, but didn't expect the reaming he'd get for just throwing in a few small exagerations.

Kenny -- Well, Kenny is as Kenny does. Correct and not particularly volatile in his assessment.

Everybody else -- Either enjoying the show or cringing at the major ownage.

P.S. - A much needed thread hijacking - Kenny, I'm thinking of picking up a late 80's Volvo 740 or 760 turbo wagon as a second car after graduation. Any advice?

[Frosty_DUB]

Ok, and Brock, I have never "macked" on you, sorry pal, you are not my type. Maybe if you were a lot hotter and could actually carry on an educated conversation we could actually talk, but all I ever did is say hello to you. I asked you to watch a movie with me? I am pretty sure this never happened, but if it did... It was because I was terribly bored and you were the most entertaining thing in a 5 foot radius.... what can I say, I needed a good laugh... I have never called Jeremy a punk, sorry, I do not even use that word, and I love Jeremy and would not talk about him to anyone, especially someone I barely know.



Im not in this arguement, but you DID ask him to sit in jeremys car and watch a movie, i was right next to brock.

[MarleeAUchick]

ok listen volvo boy... I think Jeremy has done a great job on his car and I think that him blowing this engine is one of the best things to happen.... Now he will be able to wax your ass, along with anyone else who wants to talk shit to him, or me for that matter.... How about this, meet us at Battle of the Imports... March 30, I bet his car would eat yours alive... WITH ME DRIVING!!! Put your money where your mouth is jerks... Yipee, your car is fast, too bad it looks like shit... I bet you can not even get a girlfriend... I mean, personally I would be embarassed to ride around in a car like yours.... Skank, NO, you must just be jealous, with good reason though... I wouldnt give you a chance in hell, even if your car is fast, bitch.

[Frosty_DUB]

Kenny got :owned:
shes right kenny, your car sucks pretty bad, hehe :P

[maxpsi]

P.S. - A much needed thread hijacking - Kenny, I'm thinking of picking up a late 80's Volvo 740 or 760 turbo wagon as a second car after graduation. Any advice?

What is the difference between pink and white clam chowder? Which one is Boston Clam Chowder?

[psychojerm]

well i must say that this has become the most entertaining thing that I've done in a while. but sadly to say its friday night at 10:30 and I'm going out. I hope to God that when i come back tonight there aren't another 25 posts because it's FRIDAY NIGHT and you need to get off of the computer and go do something fun.

[Matt Harris]

P.S. - A much needed thread hijacking - Kenny, I'm thinking of picking up a late 80's Volvo 740 or 760 turbo wagon as a second car after graduation. Any advice?

What is the difference between pink and white clam chowder? Which one is Boston Clam Chowder?

I'm pretty sure Boston clam chowder is white. :P

I wasn't referring to whether to get the 740 or 760, but rather general things to look out for when purchasing and whatnot.

[Jess]

Yipee, your car is fast, too bad it looks like shit...

I dont want to get in the middle of all this shit, but what's ugly about brock's car?

Im brian fellow!

how about a change of pace? Lets start out with some friendly 'your dash is so big' jokes. I'll start.

Your dash is so big that you could use your steering column as a pole vault.

Your dash is so big that i saw someone mistake your car for a futuristic tanning bed.

Your dash is so big, Im actually on it right now, you just cant see me because im so far away.

[1 Bad 68]

Now he will be able to wax your ass, along with anyone else who wants to talk shit to him, or me for that matter.... How about this, meet us at Battle of the Imports... March 30, I bet his car would eat yours alive... WITH ME DRIVING!!! Put your money where your mouth is jerks...

Where is this event? I'll run him for money. I leave it up to him how much he wants to lose. :lol:

[maxpsi]

P.S. - A much needed thread hijacking - Kenny, I'm thinking of picking up a late 80's Volvo 740 or 760 turbo wagon as a second car after graduation. Any advice?

What is the difference between pink and white clam chowder? Which one is Boston Clam Chowder?

I'm pretty sure Boston clam chowder is white. :P

I wasn't referring to whether to get the 740 or 760, but rather general things to look out for when purchasing and whatnot.

What makes the pink clam chowder pink?

What is a 740 and 760?

[maxpsi]

First to page 7!!

[maxpsi]

crap

[linuxman51]

ok listen volvo boy... I think Jeremy has done a great job on his car and I think that him blowing this engine is one of the best things to happen.... Now he will be able to wax your ass, along with anyone else who wants to talk shit to him, or me for that matter.... How about this, meet us at Battle of the Imports... March 30, I bet his car would eat yours alive... WITH ME DRIVING!!! Put your money where your mouth is jerks... Yipee, your car is fast, too bad it looks like shit... I bet you can not even get a girlfriend... I mean, personally I would be embarassed to ride around in a car like yours.... Skank, NO, you must just be jealous, with good reason though... I wouldnt give you a chance in hell, even if your car is fast, bitch.

Wow. Is that the best you can do? Care to roll out a performance/cost comparision? Perhaps you'd like to go head to head in an IQ test?

Personally, I would be embarassed to even be associated with a beetle, I'd have to run around with a butt plug to save me from the queers, but hey, if yall like it up the ass, thats your business.

And don't hate cause the bug lost the last time...

"Oh I was broken blah blah blah". Shove it. We're all broken when we lose, so you'd better get used to his driving around a broken car..

Excuses are like assholes, everyones got one and they all smell like shit (or in your case the whole works down there smells like fish. Close the legs and go back to the trailor park from whence you came)

[linuxman51]

P.S. - A much needed thread hijacking - Kenny, I'm thinking of picking up a late 80's Volvo 740 or 760 turbo wagon as a second car after graduation. Any advice?

Mmm depends on what you want... :) Something to tool around in? anything will do, the older cars naturaly tend to need all the suspension gone through (well, really, any 700 series car that hasnt had it done at this point is going to need it pretty bad).
I would probably go with the 740.. better rear suspension, less technology in the dash (late 80's climate control sucked on the 760's). Other than that the two are identical... both have abs, air bag, etc.

Might I recomend the ipd sway bars as well..

[linuxman51]

Kenny got :owned:
shes right kenny, your car sucks pretty bad, hehe :P

Yea. You're right. I'm going to go buy a 2.0 beetle and pretend to know how to tune so i can get some trailor park trash of my own! 8)

[WiggiE]

Just one thing, Jeremy do you really not have the balls to stand up for you and your gfriend?? Or are you whipped that bad? I knew you liked an ass-bandit car, but I didn't realize you liked her strapping one on and giving it to you.

[ActiveAero]

Ok, this is Marlee... Some of you know me, some don't... I am Jeremy Nelson's girlfriend. If you wanna know who I am, go to www.auburn.edu/~morteml I have never posted on here before, but in my own defense I feel it necesssary to say a few things to my good buddy Brock in his girly, yellow car.

First of all, how are you going to call Jeremy "5-years-old" when you are the ones sitting around picking on him for no reason just to start fights and crap. I am pretty sure you are the ones acting like children. He is a great car and has worked really hard to buy and install everything that has ever been done to it. Trust me on this!

Ok, and Brock, I have never "macked" on you, sorry pal, you are not my type. Maybe if you were a lot hotter and could actually carry on an educated conversation we could actually talk, but all I ever did is say hello to you. I asked you to watch a movie with me? I am pretty sure this never happened, but if it did... It was because I was terribly bored and you were the most entertaining thing in a 5 foot radius.... what can I say, I needed a good laugh... I have never called Jeremy a punk, sorry, I do not even use that word, and I love Jeremy and would not talk about him to anyone, especially someone I barely know.

And when did I ever tell you that Jeremy and I were ever broken up? Brock, give it up man, I just do not think you are at all attractive, so, I would have no reason to get you to think Jeremy and i were not together!

Oh yeah, and thong pictures, I am pretty sure that NO ONE has ever had any of those, but I would like to see them, since they are of me right? I think you need to watch what you say and who you say it to, because I am not some little girl who is going to sit around and be talked to like some bitch.

You need to learn a little respect for people. I am sorry we are all not as lucky as you to have a high and mighty yellow integra type R, but last time I checked, there really isnt anything special about it. From what I hear from everyone I have talked to, you got lucky, a fast car stock.... Congratualations....

In conclusion keep your mouth shut because...

BITCH, YOU GOT OWNED!!!!

Love, Marlee

1. Don't call my car girly when your boyfriend drives a bug bitch. Its the absolute gayest car ever created and you know it.

2. We are not picking on him. He is full of crap and we are just informing him of his misconceptions. No one is "picking a fight". That would be more along the lines of "Hey M&M boy meet me outside at 3pm so I can beat your ass".

3. No you didn't mack on me. Just the first time you met me within five minutes you wanted me to watch a movie with you. Hmmm sound funny to anyone or are you just this friendly? Yes I am EXTREMELY UGLY. I actually like it because girls sometimes feel sorry for me. One time this girl actually touched me. Yeah I know its pretty far fetched almost like running a 14.2@92mph. If you believe Jeremy's BS maybe my level of conversation is far beyond your comprehension.

4. The thong pictures aren't of you bitch. HOW IN THE HELL WOULD I HAVE THONG PICTURES OF YOU!? I was referring to one of my very attractive friends.

5. I got lucky with a fast car stock you say? LISTEN UP BITCH because I'm fixing to inform you. Do you know who has the fastest Type-R in the United States on street tires for the mods done? If you don't I'll inform you....its me. Do you also know who has one of the best 60' times (how well I can launch) ever recorded on true street tires for a stock Type-R (or almost any FWD car) on record? Oh yeah that would be me as well. My first SCCA Solo II autocross event (which your boyfriend has never done, it involves taking turns) I placed 2nd against WAY more experienced drivers. The next event I pulled 1st place to win my class. You can go here http://www.alscca.org/solo2/2002/08/AUG02_sum.htm#stx and scroll down to STX. Oh the next event I placed 3rd fastest time of the day out of ALL cars in ALL classes against AWD WRX's in the pouring rain. Only 1 WRX was able to take me in their element. Next event I was third fastest behind two more experienced drivers (and I mean right behind them) in RACED prepped R compound tired equipped S2000 and Shelby Cobra. I was in my stock ITR on street tires. I also just beat a professional race car driver (Indy car driver, GT, Porsche, and shifter carts) at Andretti's speed lab my 2nd time there.

Don't give me that "you bought a fast car stock". If you think an ITR is a "fast" car in a straight line you are even more retarded ( I guess Jeremy has rubbed of on you) than I thought. Yeah it sounds like I'm bragging, which I am, but before you start this "you got lucky" BS you better know that I use my car for what it was designed for and can drive the damn hell out of it for my limited track experience

Yeah there is nothing special about a Type-R. It was only the benchmark of FWD performance when it was released and is still the car to beat in that aspect. It's engine was also the most highly tuned engine ever dropped into a production car. I'm not going to turn this into a Type-R debate (sorry guys I know you wanted me too :P :wink: ). This again shows your a just a damn puppet of your boyfriend or are just plain stupid.

Wanna race me at a track? No problem. I'll give your boyfriend $100 if he can even get within a second of me at the next autocross event I attend. Then I'll jump in his car and beat his own best time if he's not scared of it blowing up. Heck I'll let him drive my car just to be competitive and I'll even ride along and give him some pointers on his first few runs.

I'll leave the owned comments for later. This is probably too much for your brain to process right now. Don't worry, its a common trait associated with air headed sluts so I wouldnt' be bothered by it.

[ActiveAero]

The apparent conversation that went on at the secret underground layer of the magic M&M mobile.

Jeremy: "Marlee everyone is making fun of me"
Marlee: "Its ok Jeremy they are just being mean you are the best"
Jeremy: "but what if they don't stop laughing at me, and Brock called my car an M&M"
Marlee: "Its not an M&M. In fact it is the most manly car I've ever seen on the road. You know how blue semi circles get me all wet."
Jeremy: "Yeah I guess you are right, but since I'm your total bitch can you get on here and yell at them"
Marlee: " No problem baby. We can also post the same link of me getting it on with a brick wall. That will show them that you are a big boy"
Jeremy: " Thanks Marlee you are the best"

[WiggiE]

but you guys are right, especially you wiggie. you seem to really know what you are talking about, especially when it comes to my car since I don't even know who you are and i had to ask. i won't even tell you how you got described.
Do tell, I would love to hear.

[MarleeAUchick]

Listen Brock, All I did was get on here to defend myself. You made a lot of false accusations about me and I felt the need to tell everyone that you were wrong. So no need to be an ass hole buddy. I am so glad you car has won all of these awards and all, thats cool, EVERYONE CLAP FOR BROCK!!! Ok, there you go... Happy? I definitly was never hitting on you, I am sorry if you got that impression because is was never my intent. I was simply bored while Jeremy was talking to some friends, which after reading this post I am realizing that many of the people he was talking to were nothing near a friend.

Secondly, I am no where near a slut, anyone who knows me or anything about me knows that I am so far from that that it is actually funny.

Third, I am not simply an air-head bitch. I am actually quite smart... Anyone wanna sit and talk with me for a few moments and you will realize this too. So, before you spout off your mouths, check out what you are talking about.

Fourth, I think that Jeremy has done a good job with his car, and I think that after he does the block swap thing it is going to be a lot faster than any of you think. So, talk all you want now, but we will see at the track, no problem.

Last, I think that everyone has the right to have whatever kind of car that they wish, and to do whatever that they want to it. I think that we all need to stop criticizing each other and maybe try to help each other for a change... I mean, I think everyone would be a lot better off with some positive advice over all of this worthless arguing. So, Brock, I hope you car keeps doing well for you... We will have to race sometime... Volvo guy, keep it fast, I was pretty impressed when I saw you that day on 85. And whoever else wants to say something bad about me, go ahead, but it will just be a lot of empty comments, because no one on here even knows me, except chappy maybe.

So, how about this post just ends, because honestly, nothing good is going to come out of it...

War Eagle guys!!!!!!

Marlee

[MarleeAUchick]

And if you are sick of seeing me "hump the wall", Brock, Here is my personal website:

http://hometown.aol.com/mangelstar656/

So, anyways, have a great night!!

Marlee

[Adam]

And if you are sick of seeing me "hump the wall", Brock, Here is my personal website:

http://hometown.aol.com/mangelstar656/

So, anyways, have a great night!!

Marlee

Yeah!

OK... I think just about anything that could be said on this topic has been said... And if it hasn't go ahead and start a new thread. I just don't feel like scrolling through 7 pages of this crap every day. So everyone just go home, nothing to see here...

Thank You,
=-- The Mangement
=-- Adam