View Full Version : BPU WRX vs. SRT-4 and then same BPU WRX vs. Chip/exhaust S4
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I guess that means that there is a new real turbo charged sport compact on the market...
Been a while. Glad someone stepped up to the plate and hit a home run.
Not so fast, it is still a neon and it is still a dodge :shock: :lol: ....hehe, the neon boys hate that. I would care less if I had the car. The neon boys swear up and down that it is a SRT-4 and not a neon. Oh well
Frosty_DUB
03-13-2003, 02:30 PM
Neons are built shitty, I worked at a rental car place and a neon had spun a rod bearing at 3k miles and was knocking.
1 Bad 68
03-13-2003, 03:43 PM
Neons are built shitty, I worked at a rental car place and a neon had spun a rod bearing at 3k miles and was knocking.
Well no shit, you did say it was a rental car. You have any idea what us people do to those cars??? :lol: Not taking up for neons here, I can't stand the ugly fuckers, but seriously I could throw a rod out of a brand new honda if its a rental!
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-13-2003, 05:18 PM
Too bad it's a fuckin NEON!! Who cares how fast it is? :roll:
The Lancia Delta is still the greatest AWD turbo car.
AU RSX-S
03-13-2003, 06:12 PM
Go S4!
Now...
It's a "fucking neon" aside...
You have to understand what this car is?
Name all of the new Sport Compact for under $20k, heck $25k.
Mazda Protege, Focus SVT, VW GTI, A4 (getting close), a few others.
But, the point is that it's faster than ALL of them and a shit load more cars.
Power:Price it's a knock-down winner. It's a fucking Neon but, I swear if this car has tuning potential (wait 1 and a 1/2) people are going to be sweeping these up and if I had the money I might too. I'd keep it garaged and tint the windows black so no one could see me driving a Neon but, it's still a great deal...
That's why this car is a big deal.
Frosty_DUB
03-13-2003, 08:37 PM
My mom works for dodge and i think i could get a srt4 for like 16-17k, which is under dealer invoice.
If i got one i would rip the badges and wing off and get some volks.
A418t81
03-13-2003, 08:45 PM
Too bad it's a fuckin NEON!! Who cares how fast it is? :roll:
Hmm...thats funny, I know alot of people who say the exact same thing about Mustangs and Camaros :P It all depends on your perspective. Those things run 102 in the quater BONE stock. With an exhaust and a few other adjustments, its going to be walking down alot of cars that a Neon never should.
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-13-2003, 10:39 PM
Yeah but the difference is that I'm not ashamed to be seen in my car :D
Here's MY Perspective:
How many people do you think are gonna be saying "Woah dude. Check out that Icy Hot Neon!" "Is that the new SR-Who gives a shit?!"
Girl to driver: "Hey baby! How bout givin me a ride in that sexy car of yours?"
Guy in Neon: "Wow that's sounds neat! Hop on in!"
Girl to guy in Neon : "Not you fag! I'm talkin to that fine ass guy in the red mustang behind you!"
MWAHAHAHAHAH!!!
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-13-2003, 10:44 PM
...I'd keep it garaged and tint the windows black so no one could see me driving a Neon but, it's still a great deal...
Yeah so are the hookers in downtown Birmingham but you don't see many people running out and swiping those up! :wink:
AU RSX-S
03-13-2003, 11:29 PM
Too bad it's a fuckin NEON!! Who cares how fast it is? :roll:
Hmm...thats funny, I know alot of people who say the exact same thing about Mustangs and Camaros :P It all depends on your perspective. Those things run 102 in the quater BONE stock. With an exhaust and a few other adjustments, its going to be walking down alot of cars that a Neon never should.
Greyson has a point. Yes, it is a "Neon", but it is still quick. Looks like some of you guys are just pissed off. Who cares!!!!!! Maybe you have just a little more "class" than "ass." Don't worry, I'm sure something else will come out to better compete with it in the near future. :D :wink:
CPMaverick
03-14-2003, 12:28 AM
What's up with the 'it's just a Neon shit?
I would rather drive a Neon than a Civic. If you're saying that nobody will give a shit about it if it's a Neon, you are wrong. People give a shit about SLOW ASS Civics, Focuses, Cavaliers, Sentras etc. Why would they shun a Neon that is impressively quick (faster than most of you all). Yes I know Chrysler quality isn't fantastic and blah blah etc. You can't ignore the one big plus it has and that is power and pretty damn decent handling. :roll:
And technically, it is an SRT-4 and Neon is nowhere to be found on the car, option sheet, or even manuals, Not that it isn't a Neon though.
eSpyder99
03-14-2003, 06:46 AM
Yes I know Chrysler quality isn't fantastic and blah blah etc.
Watch it now, DSM's are related :wink:
UNICORN!!!! It is still a neon......look at the damn car, it doesn't matter what they call it, it is just like a neon in every way except handling and motor. When you go to www.carpoint.com, you have to look under neon to find the SRT-4. It is still under teh category neon.
insert_car
03-15-2003, 03:23 AM
Now...
It's a "fucking neon" aside...
You have to understand what this car is?
Name all of the new Sport Compact for under $20k, heck $25k.
Mazda Protege, Focus SVT, VW GTI, A4 (getting close), a few others.
But, the point is that it's faster than ALL of them and a shit load more cars.
Power:Price it's a knock-down winner. It's a fucking Neon but, I swear if this car has tuning potential (wait 1 and a 1/2) people are going to be sweeping these up and if I had the money I might too. I'd keep it garaged and tint the windows black so no one could see me driving a Neon but, it's still a great deal...
fuck that!......gti=21k...... plus chip=21,600..... and the gti would be fucking a neon up or atleast right there with it with alot more money to spend on aftermarket.
gti all the way!!!!
ActiveAero
03-15-2003, 02:10 PM
Heck screw the SRT-4. I'm still trying to beat a damn normal Neon at autocross! :wink:
Did anyone think it was funny that Cameron mentioned something about being worried about "class"?
insert_car
03-15-2003, 03:35 PM
Heck screw the SRT-4. I'm still trying to beat a damn normal Neon at autocross! :wink:
bwaaahaaa...i hear that brock! that bastard was in my class too. man that sucked!
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-15-2003, 06:02 PM
you guys talking about the guy in the red neon with all the stickers and chit? he's bad ass. he was like a half second slower than that dude with the dark blue M3. Both those guys are amazing drivers though.
insert_car
03-15-2003, 06:49 PM
you guys talking about the guy in the red neon with all the stickers and chit? he's bad ass. he was like a half second slower than that dude with the dark blue M3. Both those guys are amazing drivers though.
yeah i think thats the same guy. all i know is he was 4 sec. ahead of everyone in my class. i was either 2nd following him or 3rd. i can't remember. he is a bad ass
Felix
03-16-2003, 10:57 PM
It is still a neon......look at the damn car, it doesn't matter what they call it
Agreed, I don't care what they want to put in the fucking manual or not put on the car. Its a god damn Neon.
On another note, how about no POWER REAR windows. Not to mention its WWD and ugly to boot.
quattro
03-16-2003, 11:10 PM
fuck that!......gti=21k...... plus chip=21,600..... and the gti would be fucking a neon up or atleast right there with it with alot more money to spend on aftermarket.
gti all the way!!!!
That's why this car is a big deal
Uh... a gti is gonna have a hard time trapping over 100 with just a chip. It might on 100 octane, but the srt can do it on 92 octane. Also I might add that stock gti does NOT handle well, they have way too much slop in the suspension.
As far as aftermarket goes, the srt has better suspension, a much bigger engine, a much bigger turbo, and a muuuch bigger ic, all stock. It's a cheaper car to boot.
Don't get me wrong, for my money, I'd buy the gti, but I would be watching out for the lowly neons.
No doubt, the SRT is the best bang for your buck of new cars right now. I can already see the rice boy kills coming though. You know we are going to start hearing about how some stock SRT-4 killed a viper by 2 lengths :roll: . Stock for stock, SRT probably handles better than the GTI, only problem is, I have heard that the camber has been locked in from the factory, therefore making it very difficult if not impossible to modify the suspension
insert_car
03-17-2003, 12:56 AM
Uh... a gti is gonna have a hard time trapping over 100 with just a chip. It might on 100 octane, but the srt can do it on 92 octane. Also I might add that stock gti does NOT handle well, they have way too much slop in the suspension.
As far as aftermarket goes, the srt has better suspension, a much bigger engine, a much bigger turbo, and a muuuch bigger ic, all stock. It's a cheaper car to boot.
Don't get me wrong, for my money, I'd buy the gti, but I would be watching out for the lowly neons.
true...i take back the statment that i chipped gti would beat it. but it would be close. i would think that a gti with chip would trap around 97-98 though right? and on 100 octane i agree...it would trap 100.
plus check the cars out a few years down the road....you know which will last.
CPMaverick
03-17-2003, 09:46 AM
Lots of cars have no camver adjustment from the factory. No problem, lots of aftermarket support for Neon suspensions, they are a popular auto-x / road race car. Most cars need some kind o aftermarket camber kit if you want to lower them and race 'em anyway.
And isn't Krautfed trapping like 102 and he's talking about being one of the fastest 1.8T stock turbo non-nitrous cars in the country? No comparison. I fail to see why people feel the need to tell everyone why they think a car is better than another one for no reason. This was not a comparison thread. Now the GTI is going to last longer :roll: Who cares? this is not about the GTi..
Matt Harris
03-17-2003, 10:23 AM
I really wish I could be fair and happy and say. "Wow, this is great, a cheap car that is fst and has lots of potential". I always thought that the Neon ACR was cool in the sense that I would have one strictly for race car duty. However, it just handled good and really wasn't that fast. Everybody is saying how this is such a great time for car guys because of the large number of fast and cheap cars with lots of upgrade potential are now on the market. I suppose i'm just a snob, but there was a time when it took either a good bit of money or a great deal of personal investment of time and effort to make a car go fast. And to me that was a good thing in some respects. But oh well, those days are over for good. Before you know it some 16 year old is going to pull up next to you in a neon that he's put a couple hundred bucks in and blow your doors off. That's progress for you.
1 Bad 68
03-17-2003, 10:52 AM
Before you know it some 16 year old is going to pull up next to you in a neon that he's put a couple hundred bucks in and blow your doors off. That's progress for you.
Yep, we are going to have to start a support group!!! Hopefully there won't be many around here. This is why I have to keep my car the way it is, I won't be able to handle getting my ass handed to me by a damn neon owning ricer!
Matt Harris
03-17-2003, 11:34 AM
Before you know it some 16 year old is going to pull up next to you in a neon that he's put a couple hundred bucks in and blow your doors off. That's progress for you.
Yep, we are going to have to start a support group!!! Hopefully there won't be many around here. This is why I have to keep my car the way it is, I won't be able to handle getting my ass handed to me by a damn neon owning ricer!
Even with what i've got planned with my car, which should eventually get me into the mid-twelves on race gas, in street trim i'm bound to have my ass handed to me by a Neon at some point. A bit iritating, but then I didn't buy my car specifically to be a great drag racer. For me that's only one small aspect of its overall appeal. (And that's what i'm going to have to keep telling myself when the kid in the Neon smokes me. :wink: )
ActiveAero
03-17-2003, 04:21 PM
That's why I'm planning on doing my first NASA event in May. Some little punk might be able to blow my doors off in a strait line, but at least I'll know who the better driver is on a real track. :wink: I don't really want to throw money into a car like mine that wasn't meant to drag race in the first place just so I can say "I beat a neon".
insert_car
03-17-2003, 05:07 PM
I fail to see why people feel the need to tell everyone why they think a car is better than another one for no reason. This was not a comparison thread. Now the GTI is going to last longer :roll: Who cares? this is not about the GTi..
umm....so you never compare a car to another. i'm confused maybe i misunderstood you but i think thats what you meant. anyways i find that hard to believe. i think that is what is fun about car discussion is to get everybody's views. in a way this is a comparison thread.
you say who cares about what lasts longer......well i would think that anyone in their right mind would care about the dependabilty of the car, i mean come on man...you don't??? :?
CPMaverick
03-17-2003, 07:11 PM
No I'm saying it sounds like a couple of 5th graders arguing.
Somebody talks about the Neon.
For no apparent reason, the following comments occur-
"Fuck the neon, GTi is faster for not much more!"
No, it's not.
"Ok then, GTi last longer!"
Sounds like when the rednecks used to argue about Ford vs. Chevy trucks in highschool. :lol:
linuxman51
03-17-2003, 07:29 PM
Right. And we all know F-18's are clearly faster than both the srt and the gti..
I don't know Kenny, your mom is pretty fast. :wink:
insert_car
03-17-2003, 08:12 PM
No I'm saying it sounds like a couple of 5th graders arguing.
Somebody talks about the Neon.
For no apparent reason, the following comments occur-
"Fuck the neon, GTi is faster for not much more!"
No, it's not.
"Ok then, GTi last longer!"
Sounds like when the rednecks used to argue about Ford vs. Chevy trucks in highschool. :lol:
didn't you see the post by adam...thats why we started talking about the gti and stuff. i also don't remember anybody saying "fuck the neon, gti is faster for not much more". i did say the gti would win if chipped but i did not realize the neon would trap at 102. then if you read on i admit the gti wouldn't win. just a simple mistake. at least i'm man enough to admit it.
its not like i'm saying the gti is making up for its lack of power by dependabilty.... :roll: ....i'm just saying that it is something everyone considers when buying a car....is it not?....ok then.
btw: i have nothing personal against neons nor have i said anything bad about them in this thread....yet. i give them mizzad prizzzops for the srt-4. but i will say that i think neons are an ugly piece. even though the srt-4 looks better than a regular neon, i still hate the looks.
one more thing.... i thought rednecks still did that! :lol: 8)
CPMaverick
03-17-2003, 08:42 PM
That's cool, I get your point. This is what I was referring to though.
fuck that!......gti=21k...... plus chip=21,600..... and the gti would be fucking a neon up or atleast right there with it with alot more money to spend on aftermarket.
gti all the way!!!!
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-17-2003, 10:01 PM
Yeah all facts and arguments have been read. But it still brings me back to my original point. IT'S A FUCKING UGLY NEON!!!!!
WiggiE
03-17-2003, 10:25 PM
I don't know Kenny, your mom is pretty fast. :wink:
fast=fat?? :lol:
insert_car
03-17-2003, 11:50 PM
yeah its cool...good discussion though guys!
oh and his mom likes it slow sometimes too though. :lol:
CPMaverick
03-18-2003, 12:30 AM
Yeah all facts and arguments have been read. But it still brings me back to my original point. IT'S A FUCKING UGLY NEON!!!!!
Yeah that is a great point. Now shut up :roll:
linuxman51
03-18-2003, 05:39 PM
Yeah all facts and arguments have been read. But it still brings me back to my original point. IT'S A FUCKING UGLY NEON!!!!!
dont hate on the 4 bangers that dine on horsemeat...
ActiveAero
03-18-2003, 10:51 PM
Yeah all facts and arguments have been read. But it still brings me back to my original point. IT'S A FUCKING UGLY NEON!!!!!
That's an opinion. There are plenty of Neon guys that are going to be saying "man mustangs sure are ugly" as they watch them fade in the rear view mirror.
I really don't see why dodge did not competely redesign a new body to just slap on the SRT-4 chasis and engine. If the SRT looked like a completely new car I doubt there would be as many negative opinions from non-dodge people.
CPMaverick
03-18-2003, 10:54 PM
It wouldn't be even close to as cheap if it had a whole new body. Have any idea how much more that would cost in such a low production run?
People would still be saying 'it's just a fucking Neon under there anyway' :rolleyes:
I don't get it, I don't think the car is ugly. It's not great, but not too bad. It's like a Taurus SHO, but smaller, a lot cheaper, lighter, handles better, and it's faster. What's not to like? Sure it's not German luxury car quality, but nobody is pretending it is. It's a cheap fast car, that handles good. Sounds sweet to me.
I gues unless it's faster than your Mustang with a list of mods? :lol:
Matt Harris
03-19-2003, 12:15 AM
I was discussing this with Clint tonight. The front bumper is really pretty muscular and aggressive looking, the real problem is those neon headlights. If you could get a rally style conversion like what is offered for the WRX's then that could make all the difference.
I tell ya, as much as I object to it in some respects (as listed before) i'd most definitely buy one over a civic. :wink:
maxpsi
03-19-2003, 12:58 PM
Hi, Matt, met you last night. I was in on that conversation. I agree a conversion would definately be a cool mod.
As for this quote....
I tell ya, as much as I object to it in some respects (as listed before) i'd most definitely buy one over a civic. :wink:
BLASPHEMY!!! :lol:
Matt Harris
03-19-2003, 06:43 PM
Hi, Matt, met you last night. I was in on that conversation. I agree a conversion would definately be a cool mod.
As for this quote....
I tell ya, as much as I object to it in some respects (as listed before) i'd most definitely buy one over a civic. :wink:
BLASPHEMY!!! :lol:
He heh, sorry. Your car was very clean, I admire the sleeper look, but civics in general don't seem to follow that pattern. It's all about the altezzas/wings/tacky stickers. :wink:
CPMaverick
03-20-2003, 12:31 AM
Yeah, personally I think they did a pretty good job styling it, for just a couple different parts it looks a lot tougher than a regular Neon. Still the same headlights, yeah. It doesn't win any beauty contests but I think it looks better than a WRX.
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-20-2003, 07:48 AM
Again, I could care less how fast it is. Yeah it's ugly. That's my opinion and I know that there will always be some who support it and some who do not. There's more to a car than just how fast it will go. Just look at those 10 second ass piles at the track on fridays. In my mind, there is an image that the car upholds that is an extension of that of the driver. When I see a neon, they just don't have the image that I want. It's just a look that I can't take seriously. Especially when I get a real job that requires me to wear a suit. For some highschool or college kid, it's ok though. I had the opportunity to get a Z28 when I got the mustang. If all I cared about was a fast car then I would have gotten it. In my mind though, the overall looks and performance the mustang has convinced me to get it instead. It's those same reasons that make it such a hugely popular car.
If someone just wants a small car that is fast, then yeah the neon sounds like a good deal. We'll just have to wait and see how the reliability of these things pan out. I still think dodge should have just stopped with the 'Expresso' and made a new car for this idea, platform, drivetrain and everything. If I ever run into one of them at the track, sure, I might get beat. I know what my car will and will not run and I'll be the first to own up to it. But if I were to ever consider getting one of these things, which is pretty much never, it'd have to be putting down some serious torque. That's where the REAL fun is! (In my opinion of course) And for God sakes!! Lower the back end on those things!! Does the rear suspension come with airbags or something? :P
CPMaverick
03-21-2003, 11:08 PM
I bet it has more torque per weight than your Mustang :lol:
insert_car
03-22-2003, 12:01 AM
And for God sakes!! Lower the back end on those things!! Does the rear suspension come with airbags or something? :P
bwaahaaaa....seriously though!
Matt Harris
03-23-2003, 11:07 PM
OK, since we've been crapping on how the SRT-4 looks, I went and grabbed a pic off the Dodge website. Hmm...looked pretty good. And as somebody said, it really does look better than the WRX in a lot of ways. So lets see what we can do with it. Here is my attempt:
http://www.auburn.edu/~harrima/choppedSRT4.jpg
Dropped, OZ Superleggeras, rally headlight conversion, and debadged of the dodge symbol up front.
If this thing was japanese most of you guys would be wetting your pants over it. :wink:
TheGuyWithTheMustang
03-27-2003, 06:19 PM
If this thing was japanese most of you guys would be wetting your pants over it. :wink:
Yeah cause it wouldn't break!
WiggiE
03-27-2003, 07:25 PM
If this thing was japanese most of you guys would be wetting your pants over it. :wink:
Yeah cause it wouldn't break!
NICE...but true.
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