TDI Hybrid

[JohnSS]

I was wondering when they were going to make a Diesel hybrid, I am all about some 69 mpg. I am very interested to see how well it works with cutting on and off, I know my TDI as well as my fiance's both start up pretty violently...

[linuxman51]

eh no telling. its probably not as bad as one would think since the car is already rolling when the engine is cut on (normally)

[Grider]

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/03/04/geneva-2008-miserly-vw-golf-tdi-hybrid-concept-uses-1-2l-3-cyli/

[linuxman51]

hell yeah!

[A418t81]

VW TDi hybrid is DOA. Not going to happen. They changed their stance from production ready to "just an exercise."

[xamraci]

shit...BMWs got the 1series diesel getting around 55mpg...thats fucking awesome for a car that makes nearly 200hp and 225wtq:D

I want a Diesel 1 pretty damn bad but I dont know when the US is going to see the little fuckers:(

[ActiveAero]

I was actually thinking the other day about the oh so common excuse of why it's so hard for cars to get good gas mileage today.....that being of course because of all of the weight added due to increased safety regulations, etc so I decided to do a little research.

1992 Honda Civic VX- 1.5 liter/92hp. EPA ratings 47mpg CITY/56mpgHWY. Curb weight 2094lbs.

2007 Honda Fit - 1.5liter/109hp. EPA ratings (old rating method to match the VX) 33mpg city/38mpg highway. Curb weight 2432lbs

So I'm supposed to believe with 15 years in engine advancement a 338lb increase in weight knocks off 18MPG from a cars highway rating? I'm willing to bet $1,000 if you load up a 1992 VX with an extra 338lbs it's gas mileage isn't going to drop fucking 18mpg lol. On top of that the VX's price adjusted for inflation is only $15,872 yet people are paying $22,000+ for 2008 technology hybrids that struggle to get mid 40's in real world driving?

Something, somewhere just isn't right.

[xamraci]

I was actually thinking the other day about the oh so common excuse of why it's so hard for cars to get good gas mileage today.....that being of course because of all of the weight added due to increased safety regulations, etc so I decided to do a little research.

1992 Honda Civic VX- 1.5 liter/92hp. EPA ratings 47mpg CITY/56mpgHWY. Curb weight 2094lbs.

2007 Honda Fit - 1.5liter/109hp. EPA ratings (old rating method to match the VX) 33mpg city/38mpg highway. Curb weight 2432lbs

So I'm supposed to believe with 15 years in engine advancement a 338lb increase in weight knocks off 18MPG from a cars highway rating? I'm willing to bet $1,000 if you load up a 1992 VX with an extra 338lbs it's gas mileage isn't going to drop fucking 18mpg lol. On top of that the VX's price adjusted for inflation is only $15,872 yet people are paying $22,000+ for 2008 technology hybrids that struggle to get mid 40's in real world driving?

Something, somewhere just isn't right.

But put in perpsective that the FIT is a FOUR door while the EG hatch was just that...a 2 door hatch...if we had a comparable vehicle it would be all good...but all we were offered in a late model hatch from honda was the EP3 which was still a heavy dog

hahaha...put me and rick in the CX we drove back from MIAMI I weigh 160lbs and rick was at 260ish...thats more and we still got 39mpg at 80mph for most of the trip...granted it only held like 8-10 gallons of gas...:P

[ActiveAero]

But put in perpsective that the FIT is a FOUR door while the EG hatch was just that...a 2 door hatch...if we had a comparable vehicle it would be all good...but all we were offered in a late model hatch from honda was the EP3 which was still a heavy dog


Think about what you just said for a second. I'm saying the difference in WEIGHT between the two is very small so why DOESN'T the Fit get 56mpg highway as it easily should be able to with 15 years in engine advancement? My point is exactly what you want. We SHOULD be able to have modern cars the size of the fit that get just as good of gas mileage as the cars of old without having to sacrifice a thing. There is obviously something else at play besides weight.

[NissanEgg]

Interesting.

[xamraci]

Think about what you just said for a second. I'm saying the difference in WEIGHT between the two is very small so why DOESN'T the Fit get 56mpg highway as it easily should be able to with 15 years in engine advancement? My point is exactly what you want. We SHOULD be able to have modern cars the size of the fit that get just as good of gas mileage as the cars of old without having to sacrifice a thing. There is obviously something else at play besides weight.


I AGREE....CALM DOWN...I was stating that WEIGHT should have NOTHING to do with it...you were comparing granny smiths and red delicious...I was trying to compare granny smiths and new larger genetic monster granny smiths...

[ActiveAero]

I AGREE....CALM DOWN...I was stating that WEIGHT should have NOTHING to do with it...you were comparing granny smiths and red delicious...I was trying to compare granny smiths and new larger genetic monster granny smiths...

I wasn't mad at you lol.

BTW believe it or not and as crazy as it sounds a Fit is actually SMALLER than a EG Civic hatch. A EG Civic hatch is both longer and wider.....the FIT simply has superior packaging.

[xamraci]

I wasn't mad at you lol.

BTW believe it or not and as crazy as it sounds a Fit is actually SMALLER than a EG Civic hatch. A EG Civic hatch is both longer and wider.....the FIT simply has superior packaging.


its got MOE DOES! thats whit be the case dawg...MOE-DOES!

I want a fit...but I would spend too much money on it:D

[JohnSS]

Would it not be the emissions that cause the difference?

[ActiveAero]

Would it not be the emissions that cause the difference?

That's the only thing I can come up with which would be retarded in it's own right. Force the cars to be cleaner but also get less MPG so they end up putting just as much shit into the air as before.

Though from fueleconomy.gov the Civic VX is still one of the cleanest cars on the road even using the NEW standards so it still doesn't really make sense. I have a feeling instead of just purely measuring emissions the federal regulations probably force cars have certain EPA certified equipment no matter if they need it or not. Does anyone know if this is the case?

[xamraci]

That's the only thing I can come up with which would be retarded in it's own right. Force the cars to be cleaner but also get less MPG so they end up putting just as much shit into the air as before.

Though from fueleconomy.gov the Civic VX is still one of the cleanest cars on the road even using the NEW standards so it still doesn't really make sense. I have a feeling instead of just purely measuring emissions the federal regulations probably force cars have certain EPA certified equipment no matter if they need it or not. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I was thinking the same thing today while driving...I saw a FIT and an EG hatch and I was like...wait...Did the emissions play a HUGE role...does the EG put out more "BAD STUFF" than the Fit? But does the lesser gas milage counter the output of "Bad Stuff"? I guess we could test it...someone go buy a Fit and I will get the EG:happyFU: