What's next for the Spyder...

[eSpyder99]

WHat's the diameter on your current exhaust?

I'm pretty sure it's 2.5 inches. Kevin at Wolf Muffler told me that he can now bend 3'' pipes and he would make me one from the DP back for about $150 bucks, but that doesn't include a muffler. It would be press bent instead of mandrel bent as well, which the bends wouln't be too bad but I'm sure a full mandrel bent exhaust would be better.

The DP I want to get from RRE (Road Race Engineering) is about $230, and my original plan for the cat back was the Apexi N-1 which is about $400. So I guess getting the exhaust at Wolf would save me about $200, but I don't want my car sounding like a lawn mower, so I'm not sure what I should do.

Does anyone know of a good name for Intercoolers that are reasonably priced? Greddy makes one for about $945 and they have it at nopi so hopefully the discount would take some of it off too. Any downsides to the greddy one?

[Matt Harris]

Don't know much about Greddy's intercooler. (Greddy doesn't do much for German cars) However, if you've got a 2.5" exhaust, then i'd say you're in good shape, assuming your downpipe is the same diameter. If not, then i'd get the downpipe done and leave it at that for a while. The frontmount will let you be more consistant and run more timing, which is good. A 2.5" exhaust is plenty big for the HP levels you are pushing, and will probly be OK for a while yet. I'd wait on the exhaust until you really needed to do it.

[AU RSX-S]

How about some nice stickers. :D

[insert_car]

yeah...jimmy i would mess with the size of you exhaust. 2.5 is a great size. in some cases going with a larger set up can hurt instead of help. i mean 3 isn't bad but 2.5 is pretty damn good. i think in your position it would be awesome if you could get the intercooler. there is two guys on j-body.org that swear buy there greddy coolers but thats for the j bodies. i would think it would be about the same.
just my 02 :wink:

[Frosty_DUB]

Get a 3 inch sence your turbo. thats too big for us NA guys though. It should sound good and loud, but not ricey. 8)

[WiggiE]

Get a 3 inch sence your turbo.

I agree get a 3 inch "mandrel bent" turbo back exhaust. It'll be good for now and more HP later. Don't fuck with the sissy 2.5" exhaust you'll just be mad you did it cuz you'll want to upgrade it later.

[Matt Harris]

Get a 3 inch sence your turbo.

I agree get a 3 inch "mandrel bent" turbo back exhaust. It'll be good for now and more HP later. Don't fuck with the sissy 2.5" exhaust you'll just be mad you did it cuz you'll want to upgrade it later.

Unless he's going over 350 horse or so in the near future, then what's the point? The intercooler will help now.

[insert_car]

Get a 3 inch sence your turbo.

I agree get a 3 inch "mandrel bent" turbo back exhaust. It'll be good for now and more HP later. Don't fuck with the sissy 2.5" exhaust you'll just be mad you did it cuz you'll want to upgrade it later.

Unless he's going over 350 horse or so in the near future, then what's the point? The intercooler will help now.

exactly!

jimmy you should just put the money into an intercooler if you would be spending 400 + on exhaust.

[A418t81]

Get a 3 inch sence your turbo.

I agree get a 3 inch "mandrel bent" turbo back exhaust. It'll be good for now and more HP later. Don't fuck with the sissy 2.5" exhaust you'll just be mad you did it cuz you'll want to upgrade it later.

Wrong.....if ~1000hp turbo Surpas are fine with a 3", I guarantee his car will be fine with a 2.5 for quite a while. He'll feel no difference, nor will his car be any more consistent. Get an FMIC.....

[WiggiE]

Unless he's going over 350 horse or so in the near future, then what's the point? The intercooler will help now.

Nah i agree with you now....i didn't read the first post correctly...i thought he said he was going to go with a 2.5 inch press bent or wait and save up for the 3 inch mandrel bent

[insert_car]

Unless he's going over 350 horse or so in the near future, then what's the point? The intercooler will help now.

Nah i agree with you now....i didn't read the first post correctly...i thought he said he was going to go with a 2.5 inch press bent or wait and save up for the 3 inch mandrel bent

i was wondering what you where thinking

[WiggiE]

i was wondering what you where thinking

:::slaps mike::: :lol: :lol:

[ActiveAero]

Down pipe first. I'd get a name brand exhuast. I'm slowly going back to open header from Wolf's "test pipe" that they welded in. Its already starting to crack and now I have a nice little buzz when I let off from the exhuast leak.

[Frosty_DUB]

shiet, just forget the normal dp and exhaust and get a pipe bent out to the side in front of the wheel. I saw a turbo sentra ser in nashville that had that. :shock:

[A418t81]

shiet, just forget the normal dp and exhaust and get a pipe bent out to the side in front of the wheel. I saw a turbo sentra ser in nashville that had that. :shock:

"thats wack yO" :shock:

[Felix]

If you want to hold boost better then get an exhaust, how ever shitty it may be. With the T25 and your current exhaust your boost is falling off very bad above 6k. I've watched it with my own eyes. With an exhaust you should be able to at least hold boost till 6500RPM. Get a 3" turbo back exhaust if you can. Anything turbo must get the exhaust out as fast as possible to make the most power. If you want the car to be loud while cruising, WOT, & decel then buy a N1. Worse part about the N1, the drone. If you get Wolf to do the exhaust, then order a 3" straight through designed muffler with a 3" inlet & outlet from someone like Summit or Jegs.

If you want your car to be fast Jimmy, do your mods in the right order. There is no need for a FMIC on your car right now. If you want to blow $900+ on an FMIC go ahead, but it won't do shit for you right now. I've told you before, you need to pull your exhaust mannifold, turbo, and O2 housing off and port them. That alone will make boost response much better and it will help you hold boost to 6500RPM much better. The best part about porting those... it doesn't cost you anything but time. Free mods should have already been done to that car. How can you beat free?

Fuel for thought. :idea:

[Matt Harris]

I guess the limiting factors on every car are different. Audi's for instance, don't gain jack from a 3" exhaust over a 2.5". Exhaust velocity is just fine, and I can hold 21PSI @ 7000RPM's. But then, vastly different engines, so vastly different weaknesses.

[1.8t]

I guess that the DSM's handle 3inch exhaust with no problems......just always remember, bigger isn't always better with turbo cars. If your exhaust gas velocity exceeds that of the accepted value for your car you will begin losing hp due to drag and flow loss from too big an exhaust

Edit: Post above mixed 2 theories.........I had to go back and search for the right one :wink:

[A418t81]

I guess that the DSM's handle 3inch exhaust with no problems......just always remember, bigger isn't always better with turbo cars. Eventually your exhaust gas velocity will exceed that of the accepted value for your car and will prevent your exhaust turbine using its energy to create boost.

I would delete this if I were you.....

[1.8t]

Corky Bell........page 132, he recommends the exhaust gas velocity not exceed 250ft/sec and page 62 of chapter five. He lists condition where larger diameter pipes just create a higher loss of flow and more drag....

[AU RSX-S]

Corky Bell........page 132, he recommends the exhaust gas velocity not exceed 250ft/sec and page 62 of chapter five. He lists condition where larger diameter pipes just create a higher loss of flow and more drag....

Do what? :?:

[CPMaverick]

You can't go wrong with bigger pipes on a turbo. There surely is a size that is too big, but it's bigger than 3".

[Matt Harris]

Perhaps, but is that the priority here? I don't think so.

The number one enemy of turbocharged engines is not flow, it's heat.

[LsTegra713]

I vote front mount and then worry about an exhaust.

[A418t81]

After reading Justin's post, I realized that the DSM's engine control system ( I forget that not everybody has a bosch ;)) is very different from what I am used to (my system is MUCH more aggressive with timing retard based on sensor inputs, hence FMIC's are GREAT for 1.8Ts with stock turbos). You aren't going to be able to crank the boost up that much more given the fact that the T-25 is as small as it is. I change my vote......I'm with Justin.....get an exhaust. A bit more flow will help lower EGT's as will as IAT's and that will get you setup for more serious power down the road.

[CPMaverick]

Well all cars respond a little differently to different mods. It has been pretty much proven that a 2G DSM with a T-25 will not benefit from a FMIC, the SMIC is efficient enough for such a small turbo.

You can't say heat is a bigger 'enemy' than flow. They are the two most important variables, which one is more important depends on the application, and how much gain you see in either. If heat were more important than flow, then everyone would be running 5 psi because the intake charge is so much cooler at 5 psi than 15.

[Matt Harris]

Well all cars respond a little differently to different mods. It has been pretty much proven that a 2G DSM with a T-25 will not benefit from a FMIC, the SMIC is efficient enough for such a small turbo.

You can't say heat is a bigger 'enemy' than flow. They are the two most important variables, which one is more important depends on the application, and how much gain you see in either. If heat were more important than flow, then everyone would be running 5 psi because the intake charge is so much cooler at 5 psi than 15.

Agreed, it's application dependant. But I still think that heat is a bigger issue on most cars. I don't know a lot about DSM's, so in that application some of you guys are certainly more qualified. I don't think he can go wrong with either mod, because in the long run both will be necessary.

Oh, and to comment on the 5 vs. 15 PSI, an example:

A4 on stock boost (7PSI) = 16 second quarters
A4 on Stage III (23PSI) = 13 second quarters

:D

[eSpyder99]

There is no need for a FMIC on your car right now. If you want to blow $900+ on an FMIC go ahead, but it won't do shit for you right now.

In the September Issue of Turbo magazine, the numbers for the dyno of a Galant VR4 disagree with your above statement. Yeah the Galant is a totally different car than mine, but they are working with relatively the same engine.

DDP Exhaust & DDP Downpipe = 18.9 hp / 33.8 tq

Spearco Intercooler = 30.6 hp / 32.3 tq

I know Turbo magazine is retarded when it comes to DSM's, but they didn't dyno this car they just typed up the numbers. I'm not even sure if they were running stock boost, and the intercooler was dyno'ed after the exhaust was installed. The only thing that they had done to the car (that they mentioned in the article) other than those two mods was a K&N filter. My point is, if you say that an intercooler won't do shit, then why would the gains from the spearco intercooler (assuming that those three things were the only mods) be so dramatic.


I've told you before, you need to pull your exhaust mannifold, turbo, and O2 housing off and port them. That alone will make boost response much better and it will help you hold boost to 6500RPM much better. The best part about porting those... it doesn't cost you anything but time. Free mods should have already been done to that car. How can you beat free?

Fuel for thought. :idea:

I thought porting was more of an art than just buzzing off peices of metal? I wouldn't trust myself with a dremel anyway. If I did do that I'm sure R&R could do it well for a reasonable price.

[WiggiE]

I thought porting was more of an art than just buzzing off peices of metal? I wouldn't trust myself with a dremel anyway. If I did do that I'm sure R&R could do it well for a reasonable price.

True porting, like aggressive head porting, should be done on a flow bench. But what Justin is talking about is rough porting that can be done by anyone. In the fashion that he is talking about you still leave enough material so that if you sent it off to a true "porting shop" they would still take off more metal. R&R is just a machine shop, they don't specialize in porting.

An easy thing to do with porting is port matching, which is just matching the port sizes on the manifold and head, etc. So if you do decide to port your stuff go ahead and port match everything with it.

If you still don't feel like you can or want to do it on your own, ask for help from someone like Justin, OB, or Jerry. I'm sure they'd be willing to help you out and show you how aggressive to go. Just remember asking for help is free.

[CPMaverick]

The Galant VR4 has a 14B turbo, hands down an upgrade from a t-25. I think the general consensus among the DSM crowd has been, a FMIC does not help on a T-25 because it just runs out of breath before it seriously heat-soaks the SMIC.

As far as porting, it's far less of an art in the exhaust side of a turbo engine. I'm sure any of the DSMers would be more than willing to help you out.

Can someone get pissed already? This is getting boring :snipe:

[WiggiE]

But then again, you don't need porting because

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid30/pef868d5d8f0ab1c6346fbe6669455573/fd4ee84b.jpg

[Matt Harris]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
He heh, how's that for controversy, Charlie? :D

[1.8t]

Can someone get pissed already? This is getting boring :snipe:

No problem........damnit wiggey, why don't stop posting stupid shit and take your purple GaySR back home and give it to mommy and daddy since you like suckling on their nipples :fuckyou:

[eSpyder99]

But then again, you don't need porting because

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid30/pef868d5d8f0ab1c6346fbe6669455573/fd4ee84b.jpg

hahaha, Yesh!

Where do you guys find all this shit? or do you make it on photoshop?

P.S. 1.8t : You getting that Holley 750 double pumper, with the pozi track and them 4.11 gears :metalhea: (BTW, I'm drunk... again. No suprise :P )

[eSpyder99]

As far as porting, it's far less of an art in the exhaust side of a turbo engine. I'm sure any of the DSMers would be more than willing to help you out.

Good deal, do you know what kind of dremel bit you will need? Is anybody available this weekend for some free beer and porting? The beer will be available after the porting :) , I couldn't imagine what the O2 sensor housing would look like if we got shitfaced and then tried to do it.

[CPMaverick]

I can't this weekend, but post it up on AERC too, someone will need some beer surely :lol:

[Felix]

Yeah the Galant is a totally different car than mine, but they are working with relatively the same engine.

No, you are not working with the same motor. They have the same bore, but thats about it. Your motor has small rods, shitty head, VERY shitty intake mannifold, your car is OBDII, and your motor has the worst turbo ever put on a production vehicle.

and the intercooler was dyno'ed after the exhaust was installed

Because of my previous statement above this doesn't really matter, but the intercooler could/would help after you could hold boost. Hence the reason they already had an exhaust on the car.


I've seen the build up you are talking about in Turbo... anyone that works at Turbo magazine should have their balls set on fire and soon after cut them off.

My point is, if you say that an intercooler won't do shit, then why would the gains from the spearco intercooler (assuming that those three things were the only mods) be so dramatic.

See first statement.

[1.8t]

your motor has the worst turbo ever put on a production vehicle.

I believe we get the award here :wink:

[Felix]

your motor has the worst turbo ever put on a production vehicle.

I believe we get the award here :wink:


Yeah, you guys got raped pretty bad with turbo selection too. :cry:

[Matt Harris]

Even our common aftermarket turbo's are small!!!

But they do the trick. :D

[ActiveAero]

What turbo? Looks more like a bottle cap with some fins cut out of it.

[eSpyder99]

No, you are not working with the same motor. They have the same bore, but thats about it. Your motor has small rods, shitty head, VERY shitty intake mannifold, your car is OBDII, and your motor has the worst turbo ever put on a production vehicle.


What the fuck is your problem? All I was saying was, getting a FMIC would not be pointless, and it WOULD do something. Maybe not as much as I would want it to do for $1000. But I'd need it in the future anyway. I'm not getting as much money as I had planned for the Prelude, so the next big mod might have to wait until next summer, or when I get a job.

As for talking shit about my car and it's shitty turbo... all of us didn't buy our cars having everything already done to them :roll: .

[A418t81]

Jimmy.......its official......you have a small rod :shock: :D

[WiggiE]

What the fuck is your problem? All I was saying was, getting a FMIC would not be pointless, and it WOULD do something. Maybe not as much as I would want it to do for $1000. But I'd need it in the future anyway. I'm not getting as much money as I had planned for the Prelude, so the next big mod might have to wait until next summer, or when I get a job.

As for talking shit about my car and it's shitty turbo... all of us didn't buy our cars having everything already done to them :roll: .

Jimmy chill the fuck out dude. You were the one that said you had the exact same motor. I do the same thing to other people that don't know what they are talking about. He isn't talking shit about your car and it's turbo, he was just stating a fact about the efficency(sp?) of your turbo. You know it and I know it.

If you don't believe Justin, then just get on TalonDigest and search articles and how-to's, etc. The DSM motor has pretty much been figured out now, so people can tell you where the most gain would be.

As far as a front mount, why don't you get a temperature probe and measure your intake temps and find out if a FMIC will oversee the cost of the FMIC and the drop in pressure you will get. This way you will know for sure.

I completely agree with Justin on this one, get a good exhaust next. Don't waste your money on a FMIC, unless you just want it for bling factor. I have a friend in Mobile who has BPU plus Upper I/C piping on a 96 GST. He ran a high 13 at the quarter mile on pump gas and his trap speed was alot higher than yours.

I haven't watched your boost gauge closely enough. But from what I hear you can't hold boost. What is the point of cooling the air temps down if you can't even hold the boost??

[1 Bad 68]

What the fuck is your problem? All I was saying was, getting a FMIC would not be pointless, and it WOULD do something. Maybe not as much as I would want it to do for $1000. But I'd need it in the future anyway. I'm not getting as much money as I had planned for the Prelude, so the next big mod might have to wait until next summer, or when I get a job.

As for talking shit about my car and it's shitty turbo... all of us didn't buy our cars having everything already done to them :roll: .

Alright first off I'm using this to get a point across, not to be justins little bitch, cause I'm sure he doesn't give a shit what you say to him, you don't listen to any of us anyways. He bought his car with the 16g already on it, yes, but it was still a mid to low 13 second car. Hes added a blaha maf, web cams, afc, injectors, 3" exhaust and 02 dump onto how it was already modded to make it a mid 12 second car. Would he do it again? Hell no, the guy rigged the whole car up. Point is even though my left nut is bigger than a t-25, that turbo can still see 13's. You have already wasted close to $300 on a bling bling blow off valve when you could have bought a 1g for $30 take 2 min to modify it to hold 20psi and you would've had $270 left over for exhaust...The fmic will not do shit for you with that turbo while you should see 1/2 a sec w/ 3" exhaust. I personally just think you want to get the fmic for looks, because out of all the shit you could've done to make that car faster for the money you haven't done. I'd be embarrased to have a bov sounding like that on a 15 second car, yea everyone thinks its fast but it can't perform when the time comes. Its bad enough having a 4" tip on a 13 second car for me. I normally don't flame over the internet, cause its not my style, but damn I couldn't hold back. No hard feelings but I think it needed to be said.

Anythings possible, if you want to be fast, you can. Everyone thinks I'm a spoiled bitch (until they get to know me)because I have a lot of cars, but truth is I've bought every single one of my cars/bikes/toys. You'll work and get what you want. If you don't think you can mod your car while in school with your parents paying your rent, look at me, I'm 100% independent from my family, so on top of rent and all the bills that come along w/ living, I still have fast vehicles. If you want to be fast, get a job, if not, then drop it. I'll help anyone out, but not if they don't appreciate it or expect it, cause knowledge is worth a lot in this field.

[1.8t]

Or you can just mod one step at a time like me.............when one doesn't have money, don't spend it

[Felix]

For the record, both post about my car are wrong, but thats not the point of this thread. I've given the facts and my opinions on what to do. I'm done wasting my time now.


Jimmy, its not a secret that the T25 is about as worthless as Wiggie taking showers. You didn't pick the turbo, don't get defensive about something you didn't screw up or pick out.

[WiggiE]

Jimmy, its not a secret that the T25 is about as worthless as Wiggie taking showers.

:roshambo:

[eSpyder99]

You have already wasted close to $300 on a bling bling blow off valve when you could have bought a 1g for $30 take 2 min to modify it to hold 20psi and you would've had $270 left over for exhaust...

No I didn't waste $300, on my "bling bling" BOV. It was a gift from my parents on my birthday. Just because I don't modify my car in the exact order as everyone else around here, and I buy a high-quality part doesn't mean that I am doing something wrong... there IS more than one solution to a problem.


I'd be embarrased to have a bov sounding like that on a 15 second car, yea everyone thinks its fast but it can't perform when the time comes.

Oh shit, your right. Let me go out and adjust the volume dial on the BOV right now :roll: :wink: . Come on OB, it's boosting 15psi (atleast until 5700rpm) there is really nothing I can do about that. The last thing I would do is rice out my car, and now you think it's considered rice to have a somewhat loud BOV. It's not like I made it louder, I bet a crushed 1G BOV would be just as loud, but not as high pitched as the Greddy. Also my car has run in the high 14's, so it's not considered a 15 second car. I've done things since then and I think when it gets colder I can get it into the mid 14's.


you don't listen to any of us anyways.

If your talking about welding the hole in the bell housing, rather than buying a brand new one or a new transmission, then I can see where your coming from. I welded that hole because it would be the easiest, cheapest, and fastest thing I could do to get my car running again. It only cost $35 to fix, rather than a $300 bell housing or a $500 to $1000 transmission, and it would save me weeks of waiting for them to deliver it. I used the money that I saved in welding it, to buy the LSD insert from BM Tranny, so logically I think I made the better decision. Only time will tell with the bell housing, but R&R did a good job.

If you read earlier on this thread, you would see that I did take Justin's advice as porting being my next mod. If everything goes well with greyson talking to APR about letting us use thier tools, then hopefully that will be done on Sunday.


Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinions and everyone elses as well. And I am always open for advice or suggestions, thats why I started this thread. People read into shit too much, and maybe people have thought this for a while and it all came out now. But if people aren't assholes when they offer advice or suggestions, then it would make it a lot easier for me ,and most other people, to listen to them and appreciate what they are saying.

I'm not really sure what the problem is with my car, it seems that it should be faster with the mods I have done to it. I think part of the problem could be that it was spiking up to 21psi for about 2months when I put the Greddy BOV on. I didn't know this until we installed a boost gauge, but it was fixed as soon as we put the MBC on. I don't think the extra weight of a convertable is the problem, although I've only heard of 3 Spyders' to ever make it into the 12's, hopefully I'll find out sometime what's wrong with it.


Sorry for the Novel, I just had a lot of shit to say.

[Jess]

Espyder99 - Didnt you read the turbo rule book?

Your car has to run MID 14's before your BOV exceeds 60.65 decibels at a frequency of 384hz under 5500rpm at 15psi. I thought everybody knew that.

You're such a turbo poser. lol j/k. I think it sounds sweet as hell. When i hear it, it makes my naughty place tingle.

[1.8t]

Sorry for the Novel, I just had a lot of shit to say.

Yesh.......

[1 Bad 68]

I'm not talking about the tranny, that turned out great and a good idea. Once they told you all those marks weren't stress marks, I thought it would be fine. I was just worried about you getting the hole welded and then the whole casing cracking down the road because of all those cracks that turned out to be not cracks. No body was trying to be an asshole at first, you came to my old place when you realized you were running 20+ psi and Justin helped you out, hell he practically showed/pulled your transmission for you. No offense to scar, but why are you going to post up questions about what you should do here when no one in this club has a turbo dsm, and we have a 11second, 12 second, 13 second and 14 second one in our club, which have 100% been built up ourselves (except part of Justins) You've asked us our opinions before, but didnt' take the advice, which makes no sense because we obviously know what we are talking about.

[1 Bad 68]

While we are waaaaaaaaay off topic anyways, will you take $3K cash this afternoon for the prelude?

[Matt Harris]

While we are waaaaaaaaay off topic anyways, will you take $3K cash this afternoon for the prelude?

And even more off topic...OB, what's the deal with this 88 'teg you have? Never heard anything about it. Just curious.

[eSpyder99]

No offense to scar, but why are you going to post up questions about what you should do here when no one in this club has a turbo dsm, and we have a 11second, 12 second, 13 second and 14 second one in our club, which have 100% been built up ourselves (except part of Justins) You've asked us our opinions before, but didnt' take the advice, which makes no sense because we obviously know what we are talking about.

It wasn't a question of whether or not I trust you guys or your experiance with DSM's, because I do. It was more a money issue at the time. A FMIC was on my future mods list and I was supposively (sp?) going to get $1200 out of the prelude and that would give me enough money to do it. I just felt like getting some imput and find out something I didn't know.

I haven't posted on AERC in a while because it seemed like no one was willing to help. I know Justin helped me out with getting the tranny out, shit... my car would have probably sat there for another month if he didn't help. Shot out to wiggie, adam, freeman and chris while I'm at it, they were there almost everyday. But when it came time to get a new tranny or bell housing or whatever I was gonna do to put it back together, I didn't get much help from the AERC guys. I figured you were kinda tired of dealing with it, and I don't blame you. I think it was good in the end though because I wouldn't have learned as much as I did.

In response to Wiggie's post:
I'm going to see if some porting can help resolve my boost problem. Exhaust is definatly on the way, but after many drunken burnouts those shitty yokahama's are almost bald. So tires are in the very near future. After looking at Brocks tires after he had run at the track :shock: , I think the SO-3's are going to be my choice. I wish I could win the lottery or something so I wouldn't have to worry about all this shit.

More off topic discussion:
I just got a call, as I was typing this post, from a person who was looking at the Prelude. They wanted to pay me the $3950 in cash, but in installments. I told them I'd need it all at once so they are going to see if they can work something out with the bank next week and give me a call. I want to let it sit out at United Auto for a little longer to see if I can get what I'm asking, but I will keep you updated on anything new.

[1 Bad 68]

While we are waaaaaaaaay off topic anyways, will you take $3K cash this afternoon for the prelude?

And even more off topic...OB, what's the deal with this 88 'teg you have? Never heard anything about it. Just curious.

This is just easier http://www.auburnextremeracing.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000482

And Jimmy, I am willing to help anyone, but like I said, I make the only money I ever see, so I work my ass off to get to enjoy things, and when I'm not working at work, I've got several things that need my attention that I own. Last fall semester I was in school and not working at all, and had a lot less bills, so I had tons of free time to help pretty much everyone out. A good bit of us in aerc have skills, but Charlie and I are the only ones that have years of experience a shop. We both started working on shit and racing (him go carts, me moto X) before we hit teens. Charlie knows american cars inside and out, I started on imports and made my way to muscle cars, know a tons more about imports/turbos, but have still built 4 muscle car motors. I learned from the firebird... I wish I had more time but I just don't. If someone gets ina bind, then I'll stop what I'm doing to help you out, but if its something that you don't have to have my help with, for now, I just can't help you. If you can pull off all your shit, I can show you how to port, but if you got someone else to help, then I'll stay out of it. I can't stress enough how willing I am to do things for people, Chappy asked if I could help him w/ his fuel filter, its fast and simple, I told him no prob(Haven't heard back from him though). I've set Clint and Wiggies valves when I didn't really have the time, but like I said, quick and easy and it needed to be done and they were helpless, so I did it.

And just keep me posted on the Prelude, but I'll need to know something soon, I'm looking at a mustang tonight at MMP, so if all goes well I'll either be buying your prelude Monday or the Mustang.

[LsTegra713]

Jimmy if you need help and I don't have work just let me know. Even if I have to work I can help you after I get off. just give me a call.

[A418t81]

The APR thing is out......new policies both company and insurance wise. I might be able to borrow the tool, but that is probably about it.

[WiggiE]

Jimmy if you need help and I don't have work just let me know. Even if I have to work I can help you after I get off. just give me a call.

I've heard about you will a dremel. :poke:

[LsTegra713]

THE POWER OF GREY SKULL!

[WiggiE]

Those shitty yokahama's are almost bald. So tires are in the very near future. After looking at Brocks tires after he had run at the track :shock: , I think the SO-3's are going to be my choice. I wish I could win the lottery or something so I wouldn't have to worry about all this shit.

Look into Falken Azenis'. They are much cheaper and I would say as sticky. Clint has them on his car.

[Jess]

In case you dont know already, http://www.discounttiredirect.com is a good place to buy tires

[1.8t]

Heck yea, discount tire rocks :shock:

[WiggiE]

d00d....vulcan tire has pretty good prices too jimmy :shock: